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Old 19-11-2009, 08:29 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Old 19-11-2009, 08:40 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Old 19-11-2009, 09:50 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Old 20-11-2009, 10:30 PM   #94 (permalink)
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Old 21-11-2009, 04:07 PM   #95 (permalink)
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Are those actually required in the UK?
It's a bit of a grey area. As far as I understand it (and I'm no legal expert, so don't rely on this in court!) the law is dependant on where the photographer and subject are.


If you are photographing from a public place:
  • If you are taking pictures of private places, as long as they are reasonably visible from a public place (ie, without going to extrodinary lengths to make the places visible), you are OK
  • If you are taking pictures of people in private places, as long as it's not somewhere they would have a reasonable expectation of privacy, you are OK.
  • If you are taking pictures of people in a public place, there is no reasonable expecation of privacy, and therefore you are OK.
If you are photographing from a private place:
  • The property owner or their authorised agents can request that you stop photographing for any reason whatsoever.
  • They can make it a condition of entry that you do not take photos, so if you are taking photos they can ask you to leave, and if you refuse you are trespassing and they can call the police.
  • They cannot confiscate your photographic equipment, nor demand that you erase any pictures you have taken.
If you are photographing people, and always subject to the "reasonable expectation of privacy" test above :
  • If you are taking photos where people are incidental to the picture, such as people walking down a street, no particular consent or model release is required for private or commercial use.
  • If you are taking photographs where people are the main focus of the picture, or a substantial part of it, for private use, you do not need any particular consent or model release.
  • If you are taking photographs where people are the main focus of the picture, or a substantial part of it, for commercial use, you do need to generally obtain consent, and you do generally need a model release.
  • There are some exclusions for photojournalistic uses, so a photo of a person taken in public, used for journalistic reasons, does not necessarily require a model release.
  • Here's a contentious one, but there is no specific law relating to photography of children.
Special cases:
  • There are specific exclusions and restrictions with regard to taking photographs of military or other critical infrastructure property, even if taken from a public place.
  • There are similar restrictions where the police can identify areas of significant security and restrict photography.
  • There are restrictions on photographing members of the armed forces, police forces and other government bodies where such photography could represent a security risk to those person or bodies.
The law is complex, and different parts of law seem to confer different rights. A lot depends on context. The most recent anti-terrorism laws that relate to photography are quite onerous, and seem to allow police quite sweeping powers, which is disturbing, as a close eye needs to be kept to ensure they're not abused.

In short, if you photograph people as a subject, not as something filling a picture of a scene or other object, if you plan to use them as sellable stock or comission photography, you need model releases.

It would always be good form to seek the consent of parents/guardians if photographing children, in writing for your own safety.

If a police office or military personnel ask you to stop photographing, you are best advised to do so unless you are already aware fo the specific circumstances surrounding the situation you are in. A police officer may require you to demonstrate your photographs to them, but they have no right to delete them or force you to do so. They can arrest you and take you to a police station, and confiscate your equipment, but the charges they would do this in connection with (which they do not necessarily have to bring) are serious enough thatI think most forces are now quite wary of doing this without good reason.

If you're interested in the legal aspects of photography, I can recommend PhotoLegal for a good bit of background reading.
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Old 21-11-2009, 05:18 PM   #96 (permalink)
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I got myself the power grip for my D90, extra battery and 67mm Hoya CPL for a nice £152, which is the going price just for the grip.

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Old 21-11-2009, 06:44 PM   #98 (permalink)
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Good post Chris, and it as you say it does have many grey areas.

If you sell images using one of the agencies they ask if you have got release from the model / people in the image or person owning the property etc. If you don't have the release this doesn't mean the image won't sell, but it might mean the person buying it might need to seek release for what they want to use the image for. I've sold an image that clearly showed someone's face in a racing car, but I didn't have model release. The paper bought it know it didn't have release and I have no idea if they ended up getting it or not.

Again if its being used for editorial use then the rules are different again as are if the image was release for use and was then to be used for a sensitive subject, medical, alcoholism the list goes on, I'd be here all night writing the post to explain it.

Some websites have a good letter that you can print out that explains your rights as a photographer that you can give to someone who is asking you to stop taking shots, or to delete them. There have been cases of traffic wardens for instance who have forced people to delete shots but the actually don't have any rights to do so.

As for the police, as Chris says it used to be they couldn't do a thing without a warrant, however some have been know to abuse some of the new powers they have under the anti-terrorism law, again be aware of it but you don't need to stop taking photos because of it.
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Old 22-11-2009, 04:03 AM   #100 (permalink)
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Excellent pictures, whats a ND filter? Natural Density? What does it do?

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I have found a reasonably cheap place for filters out here - Hoya ND4/ND8 for around 120Rm (exchange rate is about 5.5RM to £) so if anyone wants a filter or two - dump the cash in my acct and I'll be happy to pick them up and post to you when I get back on 5th.
I'm going to this store next weekend.

In case I get inundated - I have to be a bit careful, so 5 people is my limit to help out...

Clearly I don't know all of you face to face but the Guys who go the MK Meet do, so they could provide ref.

Anyway just thinking I caould help out...

I purchased an ND4 in the KLCC mall - was seriously ripped off! 290RM! YCamera at 120RM odd is good value, compare and PM me if required...
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