BuggyBen Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 I have a 330d Saloon with the 184hp engine which i chipped using a plug and play chip that I got from someone on ebay for £190. I can start by saying that I used to do loads of miles and I added the chip at 74k miles and it has now done 153k. The performance jump was noticeable as in it was more revy and the turbo felt smother but more powerful....Great! It’s consistently returned between 38 and 40 mpg in all the time I have driven it. Again, great! Problem is (nice problem) Ive just ordered a 56 plate E46 330d convertible that I get in 5 days with the 204hp engine. (I honestly cant wait!) I want to chip it but cant find a review or any description of diesel chip manufacturers. They all claim great results but range massively in power and price. (the Schnitzer one was £1500!) So could people add any personal experiences (good or bad)they have had and let me know who made it. Many thanks in advance, Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techieboy Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Speak to Sam_D, he had a DMS remap on his 3 series twin-turbo diesel and it was fantastic. It had an insane amount of torque and went like a rocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiptek Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Pleeeeeease dont buy another chip off Ebay!!!! A Re-map is the only way forward, you should achieve at least an extra 40 bhp and 80nm of tourque! Much safer than a chip off Ebay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicks3 Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 DMS are the boys! Our X5 3.0d 189bhp has been mapped by them and it has transformed the car. It previously had a tuningbox fitted and the remap is MUCH better, no more black smoke and loads more go. Talk to Mike Cooper and tell him Nick sent you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuggyBen Posted September 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 As it’s a 10 month old car Im a little worried about the warrantee issues that BMW warned me about. (i.e. invalid) With a bolt on chip at least I can take it off quickly and they are none the wiser. I guess a re-map is detectable and therefore my warrantee invalidated. Were the feeding me a load of horse because they can’t offer the service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techieboy Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 What about remaps from Hartge, Alpina or similar which have close ties to the factory - are they more acceptable to a dealer? Speak to a different dealer and see if they'll recommend someone and/or allow the mod with the exception of any direct damage caused by it. Different dealers, different attitudes. My Audi dealer isn't bothered about my remap. As mentioned earlier, I'd steer well clear of one of those crappy tuning boxes that just make the car dump more fuel into the engine - especially on a 10 month old car. Not really familiar with offerings for BMW's but can you get a switchable map from Superchips et al? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuggyBen Posted September 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Just spoke to Mike Cooper at DMS..... What a nice bloke! £695 to come to me and he thinks its about 260hp and 550torque which is a great improvement. Apparently is undetectable by BMW service and they will guarantee it for 3 years. He directed me to Evo Review as a review of their service Sounds like Im sold if I don’t hear anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techieboy Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Just spoke to Mike Cooper at DMS..... What a nice bloke! £695 to come to me and he thinks its about 260hp and 550torque which is a great improvement. Apparently is undetectable by BMW service and they will guarantee it for 3 years. He directed me to Evo Review as a review of their service Sounds like Im sold if I don’t hear anything else. [/ QUOTE ] Excellent. Sounds like good news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuggyBen Posted September 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 I have been told by a friend that the programming will be wiped if the car goes into BMW as they often do Software updates. Is this really the case and shelling out the money only to have to taken off again seems a pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techieboy Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 It can happen. Don't know how often that happens with BMW though. Check with DMS or whoever you're thinking of using as most of them will re-apply the map (or a new version of it) for little or no additional cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 [ QUOTE ] I have a 330d Saloon with the 184hp engine which i chipped using a plug and play chip that I got from someone on ebay for £190. I can start by saying that I used to do loads of miles and I added the chip at 74k miles and it has now done 153k. The performance jump was noticeable as in it was more revy and the turbo felt smother but more powerful....Great! It’s consistently returned between 38 and 40 mpg in all the time I have driven it. Again, great! Problem is (nice problem) Ive just ordered a 56 plate E46 330d convertible that I get in 5 days with the 204hp engine. (I honestly cant wait!) I want to chip it but cant find a review or any description of diesel chip manufacturers. They all claim great results but range massively in power and price. (the Schnitzer one was £1500!) So could people add any personal experiences (good or bad)they have had and let me know who made it. Many thanks in advance, Ben [/ QUOTE ] We charge £450 on this model. Gains are approx +50bhp and +100nm of torque. If a re-map is an option, always go for it over a plug and play device. A tuning box will throw up errors related to injection, and a half decent technician will know why. A good re-map will not cause these errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
330dcoupe Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 [ QUOTE ] I have a 330d Saloon with the 184hp engine which i chipped using a plug and play chip that I got from someone on ebay for £190. I can start by saying that I used to do loads of miles and I added the chip at 74k miles and it has now done 153k. The performance jump was noticeable as in it was more revy and the turbo felt smother but more powerful....Great! It’s consistently returned between 38 and 40 mpg in all the time I have driven it. Again, great! Problem is (nice problem) Ive just ordered a 56 plate E46 330d convertible that I get in 5 days with the 204hp engine. (I honestly cant wait!) I want to chip it but cant find a review or any description of diesel chip manufacturers. They all claim great results but range massively in power and price. (the Schnitzer one was £1500!) So could people add any personal experiences (good or bad)they have had and let me know who made it. Many thanks in advance, Ben [/ QUOTE ] Hello Ben, I've now had my 330d (204bhp) re-mapped for nearly a year now - and it still amazes me to this day. I did a little review after I had it done on here - and at the time I said the only downside of having the re-map done, was the amount of black smoke that is pumped out when accelerating, hard. I have found ways around that, and that's to try and have your filters changed, half way though your service. The other alternative is to try and use Shell V-power diesel as much as you can, which decreases smoke by a fair margin. The 204bhp engine is very deceptive. It may only seem like a short increase from the last engine, but in terms of performance and how the power is delivered, it's on another planet. Also, most of the 204bhp bmw owners I have know (including myself) have actually had allot more power than the stated factory figures. Mine was showing nearly 220bhp as stock - and is now running nearly 280bhp and over 430Ib ft of torque. Performance wise, I won't go into any graphic detailing - because I'll have the 'I never do wrong PC brigade' on my back - but this car seriously, seriously punches way above it's weight. Up until recently, I travelled all over the place for work and like anyone who still has a little bit of immaturity in them I brightened my (what were otherwise boring) journeys up with a little bit of light hearted (but safe ) competition. One driver of a 997 Carrera 4S was particularly impressed with the way the derv went. It's wayyy quicker than a standard 535d (as my brother will testify ! haha). The fact that's it's a manual also gives it the edge over the 535 and 335 in terms of driving experience. I'll be selling it in a few week, but one very special experience that will stay with me for a long long time, was the time I was returning from Oxford (M42) back up north. It was a cold March evening and I drove myself into a convoy of Subaru's. Probably returning from some meet. I know us BMW drivers aren't most other road users cup of tea, but the Japanese performance car owners REALLY hate us. The convoy was 'lead' by a 07 plate WRX STI Type UK. They were cruising at a steady pace of around 65-70mph - I upped the speed of my cruise control just enough to pass them and then tuck myself back in and back down to 75ish. After that moment all hell broke loose. The Subaru's were picking a 'fight' I thought. Like I said before, I won't go into any specific details - but lets just put it this way, there wasn't a car there (including the Type UK) that could keep with the 330. A thumbs up and even a an indication of 'f*cking hell' from them once on a lit up M1 told me the whole story. The Type-UK driver ignored me - the daddy was embarrassingly ripped apart by a tractor. enjoy it fell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuggyBen Posted November 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 BMW had my car for 2 days to check it over and have come back with a clean bill of health because I thought it was not as fast as it should be. Im now going to get it re-mapped but really don’t know who to go for still. DMS seem the right choice because of reviews but are more than double to anyone else I talk to. I know most of the reasoning behind the price is down to magazine advertising. The other two companies that seem to come up are Angel and p-torque. Im happy to pay that sort of money but is it really worth the extra? Any help really appreciated as I do feel very lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kite Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 I used p-torque for my A4 tdi mapping. Will lets you drive the car after mapping to ensure your pleased with the extra performance. I would recommend him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 [ QUOTE ] BMW had my car for 2 days to check it over and have come back with a clean bill of health because I thought it was not as fast as it should be. Im now going to get it re-mapped but really don’t know who to go for still. DMS seem the right choice because of reviews but are more than double to anyone else I talk to. I know most of the reasoning behind the price is down to magazine advertising. The other two companies that seem to come up are Angel and p-torque. Im happy to pay that sort of money but is it really worth the extra? Any help really appreciated as I do feel very lost. [/ QUOTE ] Will at ptorque is the best bloke for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuggyBen Posted November 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I have decided to go with P-Torque. They are not really local (over 240 mile round trip) but they offered a good price and seem to get good reviews here and on other forums. Im booked in for Monday to have a pre and post dyno so I will post the results once I have them. I can’t wait to see the results as the last bolt on chip I had was rally good and Im hoping for better results from the re-map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustynuts Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 I hope they've managed to get their dyno sorted out down there at P Torque. Someone recently had a remap done with some rather misleading before and after printouts. Apparently they were hoping for a "software upgrade" to correct the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuggyBen Posted November 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 In what way misleading? Lower to start with to make the gains look better? My car has only done 11k so Im guessing is not going to have lost much if any power so it should be hard to hide that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustynuts Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 The "before" readings were apparently correct, but the "after" readings gave some rather startling torque figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 [ QUOTE ] startling torque figures. [/ QUOTE ] High OR Low?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustynuts Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 High. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuggyBen Posted November 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 As my car is going in in 2 days Im interested to here any opinion on the matter as I dont want to chuck money away or damage my very new car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustynuts Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Twas discussed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 The only confusion with the Dyno was that it could only be used for power@clutch. It was actually a customer who got confused with the torque, it was actually 296 lbs/ft and correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustynuts Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 That's not what the printout showed, but you know best innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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