Biscuits Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Went to a charity dyno day at Evolve in Luton Saturday. Great bunch of guys and very knowledgable. All sorts of exotica there, E92 M3 GT2, 996TT X50, CSLs, 335i's But this is what made my day: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sc00t Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Nice Biscuits. So how do you rate your new car then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 nice result there - were there any sooty's breaking tearing up the torque figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Nice Biscuits. So how do you rate your new car then ? I don't think he likes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuits Posted November 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Chaps...... I'm loving the M3. It's such a good everyday car, but has a darker side when you start exploring 4k+ rpm. I recon it's the best compromise between an everyday and sports car. Very very pleased. :grin: When the car was dyno'd Evolve reconed BMW UK had remapped it, but I got an email from them yesterday saying after comparing the graphs with all the other stock ones, that it hasn't... but it's just been "well" run-in. I knew with it being a BMWUK press car and being thrashed by the Top Gear Team round a track in Spain it would have been "loosened-up", but there was a little worry in the back of my mind it would have be detrimental, not benificial to the engine output. Evolve have offered a discounted remap, on the basis they can publish the results as a "this is what's possible from the new BMW V8" kind of thing... but I'm just not sure it's worth it. If they can't get any more out of it, then there'd be no charge... so I'm a little tempted... TBH, I struggle to use the power it has effectivly anyway, it really is THAT fast when you start red-lining, that another 10% bhp won't help. Bigger brakes and a louder exhaust are of more interest. So.... SuperSprint, Tubi, Milltek or Remus system then ? :grin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuits Posted November 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 nice result there - were there any sooty's breaking tearing up the torque figures? There were two 330d's that were pushing out just over 300bhp and a whole load of torque, but no x35d's. A silver GT2 was push out 530bhp though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Those are very strong stock figures nice one ;-) I have only had 2 of these on the Dyno, making 414bhp and 418bhp in stock form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Agree re not wanting to increase the power Biscuits - I'd spend the money making it stop quicker (first mod and essential for track stuff) and handling better, although I'm not sure if you could improve that much on the handling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_hargreaves Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I'd go for some new brakes. I'm not a big fan of standard M Car stoppers, some stupid idiot at Bee Em thought it'd be a good idea to put 3 piston calipers on the M6 (It weighs nearly 1.8 tonnes and has 507bhp, come on). Good job it was restricted to 155mph I wouldn't want to try and stop from 200 on those. You should go for the 4 or 6 piston Brembo kit that's now available for the M3. But after having it all fitted and wearing them out, replacement discs and pads will probably be well over a grand for all corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Not the same car, but a friend runs the AP set-up on his E46 M3 and it's a great set-up, especially round the fastest tracks we've been on - the Ring and Spa - for braking down from stupid mph to slow. No fade and great stopping power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuits Posted November 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I've always liked the look of Brembo... but a set of AP would be the nutts. Wonder how much it would be... I get being RWD I'd have to upgrade all four corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 No, you can just upgrade the fronts and you'll be fine. The rear brakes don't contribute as much as you'd think to stopping a car. IIRC, the AP kit is about £3k, but not too sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 dont do a remap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 No, you can just upgrade the fronts and you'll be fine. The rear brakes don't contribute as much as you'd think to stopping a car.IIRC, the AP kit is about £3k, but not too sure. you want both the fronts and backs really for stability. The E92 disks are of a very good standard and the AP callipers can just attach. all you need are those and a set of RS15's and you are set. Very very good brakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuits Posted November 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 you want both the fronts and backs really for stability. The E92 disks are of a very good standard and the AP callipers can just attach. all you need are those and a set of RS15's and you are set. Very very good brakes. Any pointers to where's best to get them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Speak to BMSport: BMW Tuning Parts, Servicing, Accessories, Upgrades : Bexley Motor Works They are not to far from you and the best in the business in reagrds to BMW by a long shot. Jags or Nigel are the people you shoudl have a chat with. Say I sent you and they will be ultra helpful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuits Posted November 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Speak to BMSport: BMW Tuning Parts, Servicing, Accessories, Upgrades : Bexley Motor Works They are not to far from you and the best in the business in reagrds to BMW by a long shot. Jags or Nigel are the people you shoudl have a chat with. Say I sent you and they will be ultra helpful! Thanks Woops... been speaking with Nigel regarding an exhaust and geo. I'll drop him a line to price up a brembo and AP upgrade. Then just need to decide if the car gets the money, or I knock it off the mortgage... feckin credit crunch :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 The right answer? Knock it off the mortgage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 they are brilliant, best service you could ever wish for. I just get jags to pick the car up from my office and drop it off once the work has done. I will get e-mail updates all through the day too. My car is in the best condition of its life at the moment at 42k miles! it has never been so good!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 in regards to the remap, well i have personally lost trust in them. i have just taken my old map off as it was getting less power than standard. I could feel the diff when reverted to standard. everyone is different, some swear by them - on my car it did not work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 A lot of people I've spoken to don't recommend mapping the M3 or CSL, because it make such a small amount of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_hargreaves Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 (edited) I've found that Brembo are as good as AP in most departments, but AP seem to charge a hell of a lot more. As Woppum said though i'd have both front and rear brakes done otherwise you'll more than likely get a lot of squirming about if you jump on them going into a corner, and then if you brake hard enough and it's damp your car would probably spin out from the rear. Better to be safe than sorry :D And I also agree with what you said Mook, I could only get my Z4 uprated to 360bhp from 343bhp which is hardly anything and would probably not be very noticeable. I think 360 was the limit of that engine though? Edited November 25, 2008 by tom_hargreaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Mapping offers such small gains with these cars that the total effect can be negative. For example to get the most 'feel' from a map what can be done is reduce the low down curve in order to make the peak feel more visious. This does give a sence of enhancement however in terms of out an out performance, road or track makes the car slower. Since i have reverted the car to standard (map) it is faster without question. I will be working on a bespoke map with BMS come new year, just to see, but dont expect a gain at all really. I just want to see what is possible out the CSL with standard ecu. I love the car and dont want to swap it so am thinking of builtding an engine for it. Its possible to get 420 real bhp in race engines and I want to meet somewhere in the middle for my car as I still want it to be usable. will let you know when this happens and update progress. for the moment i am very pleased with the current set up. in regards to AP vs Brembo. I am not well up on like for like today, however when I bought the AP's the Brembos were significantly more expensive. What Brembo offer that AP dont is a 'bigger' brake kit, which could be a better option for the heavier E92, but costs probably dounle what you would pay for just the calipers of the 'big' AP kit. As said Nigel will let you know all info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuits Posted November 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Appreciate the advice chaps. As it happens, BMSport were at the BMWCAR trackday with all there track toys. Spoke with Nigel about my tyres overheating and melting... his first comment was "well... it is a heavy car!" Going to get a full geo done as I suspect the front is out, I was getting quite a lot of under steer, which cooked my left front tyre badly. Load of CSLs there today, including one that met with the armco very hard and took out the passenger side (curtain air bag went off). Chap was only 23 and had had it 3 weeks Most had AP or Brembo upgrades. Definatly going to research doing the brakes, didn't have the confidence like I had in the Porker. Think I'm going to can the remap idea, might have the limiter removed though for VMAX next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_hargreaves Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 That's probably because the last car he had before the CSL was a 320Ci Sport and thought it'd be the same but faster, tried to drive it fast and didn't know about the concept of oversteer/understeer and its consequences. Get the Brembo's I say, and go the full hog and get the 6 piston calipers on them. It'll give the sort of braking power that makes your eyes hurt when you jump on them at high speed. Like the guy from Bee Em said, it's a heavy car and at nearly 1.7 tonnes its almost the same weight as an M6, taking into account if you're going to get it de-limited, 6 piston stoppers will be more appropriate if you ask me. That's my advice, but i'd try and find out from some people who may have the Brembo and AP kit installed to see what they think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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