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New Golf GTi at Millbrook

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Volkswagen (VW) offered Tyresmoke (along with other forums) the chance to see the ‘New Golf GTi’ (not a MkVI apparently) and have a chance to put it through it’s paces at Milbrook.

For those of you that don’t know Millbrook is one of Europe’s leading locations for the development and demonstration of every type of land vehicle, from motorcycles and passenger cars to heavy commercial, military and off-road vehicles. (pinched that off their website, Millbrook - Test & Development Solutions)

First off was a quick introduction to the Golf and also a briefing on the mornings activities with safety etc and also notified of the site limit of ‘55Mph’! more on that later ;). Followed by a quick chat by Russ Swift (Guinness World Record Holder for parallel parking).

Now for the fun part with Tiff...our Pro driver who races karts for a living and also has done some Formula Renault racing.

We had a silver 5 door with DSG, Nav and a few other toys (including a cheap looking aux-in socket), loved the camera coming up in the Nav when you selected reverse.

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Alpine Circuit....

Given a sedate first lap tour of the circuit explaining where the apex etc were and also, followed by a pretty quick lap to see what the car had to offer... yes it’s quick and nimble however the back appeared to be a tad twitchy and a rolled more than we expected (our car had standard suspension). I drove like miss daisy at first, but then got the handle of if, Mook being the more avid track junkie gave it a lot and almost too much :secret:, mind that photographer ;)

The Bowl.....

2 mile perfect circle with different gradients that allow you to take you hands off the steering wheel and it will keep going round as long as you maintain that correct speed. Now this is a really weird sensation, doing 75mph on a banked circuit and then taking your hands off the steering wheel. Your mind first off thinks you’re going to go straight on but just doesn’t (not one to try at home kids). The pickup from 75 to....xxx is relatively quick and smooth.

The Handling Circuit....

3 Laps of a relatively flat and twisty circuit at what would be classed as ‘enthusiastic’ speed by Tiff (not forgetting the site speed limit of course ;)). The car handled and felt quit predicable albeit a little role round the corners with understeer, but the let down was the standard brakes, great at the start but really not towards the end. I guess they would be fine for daily use just no good on a track.

Mile Long Straight...

This can either be used for an all out blat (has a downward ramp at the start) or can be used for hard brake testing. Bearing in mind we’d just come from the Handing Circuit, the brakes would have been warmed up. So up to 70mph and then hard on the anchors back down to 0mph, the car stopped quick, and very impressively. Back up to 100mph and then hard again on brakes. First go and I found this hard and it’s not a natural instinct to go full on top stop, however it’s impressive that slamming the anchors on at such high speeds and the car remains straight, no real movement whatsoever.

During our runs we were joined by an Aston DBS, the noise at full chat was literally joyous.

You’ll have to excuse the poor quality as I didn’t have a proper camera with me (misses has it in Scotland atm).

Fly by... the exhausts sounded nicer than in this clip.

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With DRL's on ;)

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Demo by Russ Swift...

Sadly they weren’t able to use a GTi for this (unable to disable the ABS) so a TDi was shipped in last minute.

just watch the vids :P

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Summary....

Would I buy one if I had the money? Smple answer yes.

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Officially it was launched on the road from the 21st May.

I was surprised how there were no test drives booked at my dealers when I took it out.

Sign of the times perhaps...

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Fantastic insight guys! great that VW recognises TSN and forums alike. +++

I think that bit of road shown in the first clip, might even have been the section used in Casino Royale for the crash, albeit, in the other direction. As that was filmed at Millbrook.

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Looks like a good day was had by all there. Great little vids +++ Looks like some of the cars had a hard time. I guess these will be sold as ex demo's 2k on the clock & bald tyres :grin:

Excellent PR event for VW as by inviting along forums they will get to the hearts of car enthusiasts and grow enthusiasm / support for the 'New Golf GTI'.

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The Handling Circuit....

3 Laps of a relatively flat and twisty circuit at what would be classed as ‘enthusiastic’ speed by Tiff (not forgetting the site speed limit of course ;)). The car handled and felt quit predicable albeit a little role round the corners with understeer, but the let down was the standard brakes, great at the start but really not towards the end. I guess they would be fine for daily use just no good on a track.

....As discussed in the GTI forum, I can't agree with you that brakes which you assess as not great at the end of a handling circuit are fine for daily use - You don't have to be driving at the max only on a track to benefit from great brakes. Whether for track or fast road use, it's far safer to have great brakes and with great pedal response. Many drivers have been critical of VW/Audi brake servo's for some time and the criticisms don't appear to have been addressed.

But, as Mook says, costs play a big part and an enthusiast's ideal GTI would cost far too much for VW's main market to accept.

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The cost of uprated brakes would be fairly insignificant in the overall price of the car. Infact so many other manufacturers manage to include Brembo brakes on much cheaper cars. The GTI is a 'premium' hot hatch and you should expect quality anchors.

Has anyone actually tried just changing pads and using braided hoses? I think it's just a 'feel' thing rather than an outright lack of performance.

I appreciate that standard anchors would never perform as well as a something like RR's but for most, more pedal feel when hot would probably satisfy.

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It's NOT just a feel thing. The brakes on the Mk6 are wooden in feel, more so than the Mk5. It's down to the servo and the ABS being over-enthusiastic.

Braided hoses will make minimal difference - all you would need to do to make them suitable for spirited road driving is change the pads to something like the Ferodo DS2500, which are fine for use from cold and don't fade when they're hot as hell on track +++

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RR, I think your looking at it the wrong way round, no-one is saying uprating the brakes wont make for a better driving experience on the road, just that the standard brakes aren't good enough for track use.

And I'm pretty sure that by 'daily use' they just mean 'normal' driving, not 'spirited' driving, obviously you can never push a car as hard on the road as you can on track, so the poor brakes will show up a lot quicker on track.

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RR, I think your looking at it the wrong way round, no-one is saying uprating the brakes wont make for a better driving experience on the road, just that the standard brakes aren't good enough for track use.

....Either way, in forming a critical appraisal, I think we are all agreed that good as the oem brakes are, they could have been improved in the new GTI - Servo being a noticeable criticism.

I suppose that it gets back to that question of exactly how VW view the GTI in the marketplace - Is it just a top of the range Golf, or a car with a very sporting tradition much loved by enthusiasts who have greater expectations.

Thank goodness for the aftermarket.

You might want a WW for this pic :grin: : -

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And I'm pretty sure that by 'daily use' they just mean 'normal' driving, not 'spirited' driving, obviously you can never push a car as hard on the road as you can on track, so the poor brakes will show up a lot quicker on track.

....I agree.

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Robin, do you have to post pictures like that. It's put me off my coffee :eek:

Shame the muppet who designed that t-shirt can't spell...

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I still think the exhausts look like they were stuck on by some part time exhaust builder.

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I still think the exhausts look like they were stuck on by some part time exhaust builder.

....Me too! I think that VW must have used a different designer/stylist for the rear than the front. They just look wrong - Wrong position, wrong tip design (smarter if angle-cut tips). The whole car looks nose-heavy with a rear like that. Bad design coordination.

Again, I expect the aftermarket will take care of it, but at what extra cost!

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Shame the muppet who designed that t-shirt can't spell...

....Shocking isn't it. I know it's of relatively minor importance in the grand scheme of life, but so many people either not being able to spell or even use a spellchecker, is very disappointing.

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Robin, do you have to post pictures like that. It's put me off my coffee :eek:

....I'm sorry I'm not as attractive as that gorgeous blonde called Tiff :grin:

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Robin, do you have to post pictures like that. It's put me off my coffee :eek:

It's the "moobs" that disturbed me :P

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I still think the exhausts look like they were stuck on by some part time exhaust builder.

It was all driven my marketing. The engineers wanted dual pipes exiting on one side, as with the Mk5, but the marketeers insisted on one pipe on each side.

Reminds me of the Mk4 R32. Tailpipes just need to be bigger, which I'm sure Milltek will sort out +++

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I haven't made a direct comparison yet, Mook, but I think that the Mk4 R32 pipes aren't at the side extremities of the rear as the new GTI is, and are styled to look far more integrated.

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I haven't made a direct comparison yet, Mook, but I think that the Mk4 R32 pipes aren't at the side extremities of the rear as the new GTI is, and are styled to look far more integrated.

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Yup the MKIV .:R32 pipes are more integrated into the rear bumper... the bumper goes around them more... looks the biz.... but I`m biased! :grin: See the picture.... uber cool..... phat Golf :D

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They don't look as integrated, because the rear valance tucks away, rather than coming straight down like on the Mk4 R32.

You don't notice at the end of the day - it just reminds me of the Mk4 +++

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I don't think the new GTI's exhaust pipes look right from any angle - Unfortunately.

And no! my exhaust pipes aren't dirty - They're ceramic finish satin black (Milltek's finest)

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They don't look as integrated, because the rear valance tucks away, rather than coming straight down like on the Mk4 R32.

You don't notice at the end of the day - it just reminds me of the Mk4 +++

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If those pipes were extended a further few inches it would look like a wheelbarrow :grin:

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Didn't drive like one though +++

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Aklthough I prefer the dual exit at each side rather than a twin pipe, the positioning, IMO, is too extreme to the edge of the car. The positioning of Milltek's on the MKV are perfect, particularly on the quad.

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The positioning of Milltek's on the MKV are perfect, particularly on the quad.

....I'm running Milltek's pre-production next generation of their Mk5 quads - I better post my review here on TSN as well.

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