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996 C2 or C4S?

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Hi guys,

I am on the cusp of selling my 986S and am looking to spend £25,000 - £28,000 on either a C2 or a C4S (both 996 of course).

Having scanned the internet every day for a month, it has become apparent that the C4S is approximately £2,000 - £3,000 more that the C2, for similar year and mileage. From what I can see, my budget affords something like a 03/53 with 45,000 miles approx (C2).

On the one hand I admit that the C4S looks a lot beefier and has the better brakes. But on the other hand, I'm not a fan of the extra weight 4WD brings to an engine thats output is the same as a C2.

I was just looking for some advice on what people think is the safer bet?

I am not interested in a convertible, targa or a C4 and a turbo is not of interest either (mainly due to mostly town driving and fuel consumption).

I intend to keep the car for at least 18 months and this being my first 911, I want to make sure that I invest wisely now, as this is all my own money and I don't wanna be stiffed when it comes to resale.

Thank you!

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The C4S will retain its value better, but it's a different drive to the C2.

The 996 is a lot better balanced than the 993, so you won't have the massive tail wagging experience you would get with a 993 if you go down the C2 route.

The 4WD adds weight, but not that much relatively. And if you reckon you're buying a Porka and worrying about fuel consumption, you should buy something else. No, really, you should.

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Ha, I kind of assumed that the fuel consumption difference between a turbo and non-turbo would be pretty big and I don't need that kinda power anyway.

I have owned a couple of boxsters and am used to sh*t fuel consumption, what I wanted to know was the resale desirability and characteristics of the two cars from people that have owned either one or both preferably?

Thanks

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I'm far from an expert but a bloke at my work who has a C4S 996 says the dealers seem to think they are going to remain desireable. The C4S 996 took bits from the turbo like brakes and steering (I think) but the current C4S 997 isn't as specially specced. As such, the 996 is seen as more special.

In any case, he is thinking of selling his seal grey 996 C4S so if interested I'll gladly pass on your email if you PM it to me. It is in good nick and low mileage and I suspect will command a higher end of price (it is a 52 IIRC).

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would be c4s for me all day long, compared to the c2

if you want to go the 2 wheel route though, how about searching out a 40th anniversary edition, which came with a higher engine output, c4s(turbo) front bumper, chromed alloys, lots of other extra anniversary parts.....comes in silver only though mind

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C4S +++ When I my 996 C2 I always wanted for more grip as I spent much of my time on back roads and when parked next to a C4S it always looked like a poor cousin :( in the end I just went out and brought a Turbo :) Anyhow, what i'm alluding to is if you buy the C2 you'll always be thinking "what if I'd got the C4S"

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Thanks guys, that confirms what I was thinking.

Andrew, if you could pass on my email address to your mate, it's phil_afc@hotmail.com. If he has pictures etc, that would be great.

Also, thanks for the advice on the Anniversairy. I have had a silver Boxster and a silver Boxster S so I would prefer black or grey but for the right car, you never know...

Cheers guys.

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I've passed your address on so he will be in touch if he is selling it. I'll leave it up to him to make contact now although I don't expect it to be this year. I know he loves it and as such, might go off the idea of selling it altogether!

Andrew

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C4S +++ When I my 996 C2 I always wanted for more grip as I spent much of my time on back roads and when parked next to a C4S it always looked like a poor cousin :( in the end I just went out and brought a Turbo :) Anyhow, what i'm alluding to is if you buy the C2 you'll always be thinking "what if I'd got the C4S"

Very cool - thanks AB for sort of confirming what I'd heard elsewhere...

I'm picking mine up on (hopefully) Tuesday next week (Monday is a holiday here).

This is the beastie: http://www.gulson.com.au/VehiclesListing.asp?Stock_No=U2280

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Hiya Baz,

Yes - stoopid prices. The same dealer had a brand new 997 mk 2 Turbo for $410K. It was in the showroom exactly a week...

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Hiya Baz,

Yes - stoopid prices. The same dealer had a brand new 997 mk 2 Turbo for $410K. It was in the showroom exactly a week...

:grin: Holy moley, that is insane...!!! I suppose the fact that GBP has done a nosedive in recent years doesn't help but still :eek:

Expensive cars and wildlife that mostly wants to kill you - I'd be looking to move country :roflmao:

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re: Baz. Yes, the weak of will might. My theory is it keeps the uncommitted and tourists out of those parts of Oz that have the great roads. :finger:

I'm far from an expert but a bloke at my work who has a C4S 996 says the dealers seem to think they are going to remain desireable. The C4S 996 took bits from the turbo like brakes and steering (I think) but the current C4S 997 isn't as specially specced. As such, the 996 is seen as more special.

Can any of our resident 911 experts confirm that? It'd be very cool if it was really, truly true... :cool:

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U2280_1.jpg

Rachel- Would you like a limey male house pet ? I'm well trained +++

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Probably conjecture on the part of the dealer to be honest Rachel, but thought 'd pass it on anyway.

They are very nice looking cars and well sorted too by all accounts. That example of yours is just gorgeous - will it be used every day or is it for high days and holidays?

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Hi Andrew,

At the moment - toy car... Never having previously owned a black car I'll be paranoid the first few weeks. But yes, planned to be the weekend and trip away machine.

As for the Turbo bits - yes, the 996 C4S did actually get the Turbo brakes and stuff (being reading up on the the specifications). It has a carbon highlight finish, carbon short shift kit and some other non standard bits - so I'm quietly chuffed. :)

There are more photos of the car here: 2003 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA 4S 996 MY03 Cars For Sale in ACT - carsales.com.au - carsales.com.au

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C4S is a effectively turbo without the turbo engine. One of my customers bought one from new and he never stops talking about it (I wrongly told him I'm into cars).

Looks great Rachel ++=

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Went and did all the paperwork and sorted $$$ and insurance today (I'm gonna be sooo broke for a week or 2). :D

Pick up and exchange is scheduled for 3pm this Tuesday, so this very wet long weekend I'm out having fun in the .:R32.

I didn't realise till doing some research and re-looking at the car - that it actually has a full alloy spare wheel secreted in the base of the front boot! Bright fluoro orange no less. Cool. +++

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Well you need something to weigh the front end down... :P

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Did you sell one of your cars? Or keep them and this is the new addition?

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Pah, keep up Joe - the yellow peril Boxster's gone :(

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Pah, keep up Joe - the yellow peril Boxster's gone :(

...well, more like going...

It'll be gone late Tuesday. I'll miss it heaps - it is an absolute joy to drive, and I think I've actually kept my licence a lot cleaner than it should be because roof down, you don't really need to race from a to b.

Unfortunately it never addressed my addiction for aggressive engine noise (except 2nd gear flipping to the red line in tunnels), all wheel drive and some serious poke.

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Make that gone.

Did the exchange of hostages at 3PM today, been very naughty all afternoon and evening. :-)

Love the all paw grip in the roundabouts here.

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Ok, don't rub it in Rachel ;)

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