NeilB Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 Circuit guide YouTube - Formula 1 2010 - Track Simulation Hockenheim - Mark Webber (English) (1080p) BBC Coverage Saturday 24 July Practice three: 0955-1105, BBC Red Button/online Qualifying: 1210-1420, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live sport extra/online Sunday 25 July Race: 1210-1515, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live/online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 Wonder if LH's bumper car will all be back in one piece by tmrw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacake Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 I turned on the first practice just as he was going into the tyres. Didn't think we'd see him again before tomorrow. I was quite surprised he made it into second practice, and into 7th as well. Not bad after a rebuild. But where did Alonso come from all of a sudden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 But where did Alonso come from all of a sudden? Normally the back after doing something wrong and being in a strop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Scott Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 I turned on the first practice just as he was going into the tyres. Didn't think we'd see him again before tomorrow. I was quite surprised he made it into second practice, and into 7th as well. Not bad after a rebuild. and I think he had the fastest middle sector time overall, so quite impressive to get the car straight back on it with only a few flying laps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacake Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 Well, the Ferraris and Red Bulls definitely have the measure of this circuit, with the two McLarens rounding out the top 6. Should make for an interesting race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 Good to see Massa back on form+++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 I see two Red Bulls taking each other out at the start of this race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 I see Alonso taking Vettel out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 So I thought team orders are banned, so how is that allowed? I don't like Alonso in fact I can't stand him, but Massa seems a good bloke, for me that reflects badly on the Ferrari team. I never liked it when Schumacher got every decision to go his way and I don't like this either. Yes I know it happens without such a blatant communication but regardless it is a poor state of affairs IMO, the first time the lame donkey is at the front and they can't even race each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burble Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 So I thought team orders are banned, so how is that allowed?I don't like Alonso in fact I can't stand him, but Massa seems a good bloke, for me that reflects badly on the Ferrari team. I never liked it when Schumacher got every decision to go his way and I don't like this either. Yes I know it happens without such a blatant communication but regardless it is a poor state of affairs IMO, the first time the lame donkey is at the front and they can't even race each other. Agreed 100%. They can dress it up and present it however they choose but Massa was told, albeit in 'code' to get out of the way and let the grumpy Spaniard through. The rules expressly forbit that, yet I assume sod all will happen as a result of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burble Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Feck me - I find myself agreeing with what Eddie Jordan is saying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Oh for fecks sake, just throw the feckers out for good. I'm tired of this. Had it been any other team we would all know what to expect. For Alonso to try to explain this away as 'I don't know what happened to Felipe at the exit of that corner but I saw the chance to overtake..' is absolutely disgraceful. Felipe has just said it all. Ban the feckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Oh for fecks sake, just throw the feckers out for good.I'm tired of this. Had it been any other team we would all know what to expect. For Alonso to try to explain this away as 'I don't know what happened to Felipe at the exit of that corner but I saw the chance to overtake..' is absolutely disgraceful. Felipe has just said it all. Ban the feckers. And I have to agree with you. ;) How they can dress this up as anything but team orders is just plain wrong. Watching that interview with Massa, its blatantly obvious they know they have done something wrong. The FIA give Ferrari an advantage over every other team already giving them far more money regardless of how well they do, if this goes unpunished it will make a mockery of the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Jordan has it off to a tee in my opinion. "What we have here is a petulant young Spaniard who has clearly got upset and stamped his feet with Ferrari." He's a little shite. He couldn't hack it with Hamilton and now he can't hack it with Massa. What a sham of a sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burble Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Apparently it was Massa's decision to let Alonso through. Hands up who believes that? I guess there's a contractual clause in play here. I don't believe for one second that Massa decided to let him through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Nope neither do I, apparently the stewards have now summoned Ferrari to have a chat with them. Will have to see how this pans out, I'm sure it will come to nothing but for me it would have been great to see them race properly which the rule is trying to force. Its a shame that F1 is now going to be discussed yet again for all the wrong reasons. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Very unhappy for Massa and wish he had just told them to F off and made Alonso pass him if he could. Having said that what DC and MS said is also true EVERY team do it in one way or the other but not so blatantly recently so in my opinion FIA should and will not punish them as they have again alienated lots of their own fans including myself! PS would love to hear Rob Smedly trying to translate "magnanimous" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Ferrari fined $100,000 but result stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burble Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 What a complete load of bollocks. What sort of message does that send out? Yeah, we know Ferrari broke the rules but we'll let them get the result they wanted anyway but fine them $100K which to a company like Ferrari is a token amount. Despite what Domenicali said, he know they'd done wrong. Why else would he make a point of getting both drivers together on the podium after the podium stuff was over and done with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 So they did break the rules at least the FIA admit that much, they have also refereed the incident to the world motor sports council, so it seem the fine won't be the end of the matter. autosport.com - F1 News: Ferrari fined, referred to WMSC I do hope that this goes further than the fine as $100,000 to them as mentioned is peanuts and hardly a deterrent, surely the team should lose points at the very least. The drivers after all are only following orders, mind you if they can find some way to punish Alonso I wouldn't mind about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burble Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 I don't expect anything futher will happen, I expect the WMSC will say that Ferrari have paid their penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Referreral to WMSC is a smokescreen. $100k will be the the end of it. Not right I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 That's really sh1t - basically says that for less than a set of wheels/tyres you can get round FIA regs and use team orders...! Ferrari International Assistance is back thanks to Jean Todt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Boy Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 100k is Alonso's pocket money, strip Ferrari of some points and make Alonso's start from the back of the next race, but pointing in the wrong direction lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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