Mook Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I'm a big fan of the original RS4 Avant and the later B7 model, again in Avant form (or estate to you and me). It seemed to kick BMW and Mercedes into upping their game when it came to engines and the current M3 is one of the best V8s I've driven. So it'll be some really happy news for a load of previous RS4 owners on here that they're back with a new one. Not that any prospective owners should be worried about how stiff the car is, as this photo of it entering the mini-Karussell shows Pics courtesy of New Stig's article here But here's the quote that gets me: There's no change planned for the RS4's engine ; it'll take a carbon copy of the RS5's 4.2-litre V8, naturally aspirated to produce 444bhp and 325lb ft WTF?! So Audi have yet again done what they do so well - have a look at the remaps for their cars and then apply that to their own. Queue comments about shonky ride quality and not being able to tell whether it's an A4 or A6 estate, sorry, "Avant". With BMW launching the new M5 with a new 560bhp twin turbo V8, I'm afraid that Audi's falling so far behind the rest that it's just becoming an also ran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I know someone who has seen the new M5 in the flesh. For more than just a fleeting moment too, for a good 30-45 minutes. They weren't allowed to take pictures but they're not a BMW fan normally and said it was absolutely stunning. M5's have never quite appealled to me but from what he said, it is going to be something very special indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 They'll have to up the V8 a bit..... Surely! You don't move a generation on without doing that. The journo probably didn't have any extra information. Audi have the new (Bentley) turbo V8's available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I know someone who has seen the new M5 in the flesh. For more than just a fleeting moment too, for a good 30-45 minutes. They weren't allowed to take pictures but they're not a BMW fan normally and said it was absolutely stunning.M5's have never quite appealled to me but from what he said, it is going to be something very special indeed. I sat in it and poked at it at Silverstone last month - absolutely epic car, excatly what that type of car should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINGH Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I've seen the new M5 in magazine shots and it looks stunning, I really want one. It will be intresting to see what Audi do with the RS 6, the old one had 572 BHP and BMW didn't even bother matching/beating that and the new M5 has around 550 BHP iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Did they let you start it up Bazza? He was allowed to rev it a little and said it sounded fabulous - which I guess you'd expect anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Think the new M3 is supposed to be a twin turbo 6-cyl too isn't it, which probably isn't too far away. The RS' up to the B7 RS4 were lovely but I think they have diluted the RS brand too much now with things that are just not special enough - to look at or (from press reports), to drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanG Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Hang on a moment, at first glance, this is a V8 with 444bhp in the newer, lighter B8 platform. It'll go like the clappers if its true! So its not all bad. I am surprised about the engine, VW have developed the 4.0 FSI Turbo for the new S6 and Bentley Continental, and presumably different tuned versions of this will find their way into the RS6 when it comes and a few other company owned varients (A8, R8 etc). I certainly dont think Audi are falling behind the curve. The S4 with the 3.0 supercharged engine is great, but not aimed at competing with the M3 anymore. However, surely the sensible thing to do would be to slot that 4.0 twin turbo V8 into the RS4? what are they scared of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 what are they scared of? Putting new lumps in new cars - why change the age old formula of selling the same old sh*t to people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZURES3 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 The funniest thing is that they botherd with the camouflage, I think we canguess what it will look like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Queue comments about shonky ride quality and not being able to tell whether it's an A4 or A6 estate, sorry, "Avant". Expect the ride to be as bad as the RS3 and RS5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 I could possibly be in the market for the new RS4 depending on when it hits - I mean the new M3 is looking to be 2013 ish isn't it from what I've read? Interesting staying with the V8 though - must admit a slight feel of disappointment knowing the new M3 is going to be a FI '6. Saying that, when I had an RS4 I was disappointed they'd moved a to a NA V8 in the new one! Ye gods, I don't know what I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 I didn't find anything 'wrong' with the RS5' ride - or the car. I just didn't find it very exciting and it didn't feel very special, whereas the M3 is absolute hoot to drive. Here's the thing though, I bet I could drive the RS5 faster without ending up in a field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 That's the whole thing and it comes up time and time again in the Audi V BMW forum discussions. The BMW will be more exciting and more of a hoon coz it's RWD. Audi have pushed the power backwards but with quattro and the clever diff etc it's always gonna be the car flattering the driver. It comes down to whether you want more fun or getting from A to B quicker and safer .... and dare I say in all weather conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINGH Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 I don't personally think quattro is what makes Audi feel less composed then BMW. Sure with rear wheel drive you can be a bit mad and have some tail out action, but it is the feedback from the steering that the Audi seems to lack, where the BMW feels properly connected and ready to go wherever you point it, in the Audi the steering just feels loose and unconnected, the chassis feel unbalanced when compared with the BMW and it makes for poor handling. It would be intresting to drive an Xdrive BMW to see if the four wheel drive really does ruin them, I doubt it though, BMW know how to make a perfect handling car, Audi should find out how they do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Interesting staying with the V8 though - must admit a slight feel of disappointment knowing the new M3 is going to be a FI '6. Saying that, when I had an RS4 I was disappointed they'd moved a to a NA V8 in the new one! Ye gods, I don't know what I want. OK, so you're going to a FI 6 with the new M3, but why did you buy the current M3 over the RS5? Driver involvement I'm guessing. Sorry, but I don't know how Audi are going to change the dynamics of the RS4 over the RS5 to make it more of a driver's experience along the lines of the M3, current or new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 but why did you buy the current M3 over the RS5? Driver involvement I'm guessing. You're absolutely right. Like I say, the RS5 felt fast but uninteresting, whereas the m3 felt like an experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I'm a big fan of the original RS4 Avant and the later B7 model, again in Avant form (or estate to you and me).It seemed to kick BMW and Mercedes into upping their game when it came to engines and the current M3 is one of the best V8s I've driven. So it'll be some really happy news for a load of previous RS4 owners on here that they're back with a new one. Not that any prospective owners should be worried about how stiff the car is, as this photo of it entering the mini-Karussell shows Pics courtesy of New Stig's article here But here's the quote that gets me: WTF?! So Audi have yet again done what they do so well - have a look at the remaps for their cars and then apply that to their own. Queue comments about shonky ride quality and not being able to tell whether it's an A4 or A6 estate, sorry, "Avant". With BMW launching the new M5 with a new 560bhp twin turbo V8, I'm afraid that Audi's falling so far behind the rest that it's just becoming an also ran. Always has been sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Always has been sorry. Thanks for making me scroll through an entire page just for that. And I don't recall you declaring Audi as an also ran when you had an A8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Thanks for making me scroll through an entire page just for that.And I don't recall you declaring Audi as an also ran when you had an A8? OR the last B7 RS4 ( In picture) BUT I tried then moved to BMW and TBH would never buy another Audi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 I didn't find anything 'wrong' with the RS5' ride - or the car. I just didn't find it very exciting and it didn't feel very special And that's exactly what's wrong with it - an RS should be both exciting and special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Totally and utterly agree. The B5 had that for me at the time, the B6/7 RS4 felt 'diluted' even though I gather it was/is probably a superior car. The M3 I have now has the exciting buzz I had from the RS4. I like that. It's interesting that outright pace is not as interesting as it was - when I bought the B5 for example if I could have bought another worse-handling car that did a faster sprint....well I probably would have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINGH Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) I agree with you Mac, the B5 RS 4 was and still is special in my eyes. I saw one a few weeks back and It looked fab. A 2.7 V6 biturbo with 380 BHP from factory would still be decent if released in 2011 nevermind 2000. I like the B7, but it ain't as cool as the B5 IMO. Edited October 27, 2011 by SINGH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanG Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Hold everything! Just had a talk whilst picking up the new A6 about the RS4. According to the dealer, they have just been told that it's going to be a V8 sequential turbo and definitely not the RS5 engine, for lots of reasons but emissions is high on the list. Apparently it'll be low enough to be £200 a year tax. He quoted a figure of 440bhp and is off to Germany in Jan to see it. He also said something about the facelift RS5 and that potentially having the new engine too..... Also he mentioned that it initially would only come as an avant too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Hold everything!Just had a talk whilst picking up the new A6 about the RS4. According to the dealer, they have just been told that it's going to be a V8 sequential turbo and definitely not the RS5 engine, for lots of reasons but emissions is high on the list. Apparently it'll be low enough to be £200 a year tax. He quoted a figure of 440bhp and is off to Germany in Jan to see it. He also said something about the facelift RS5 and that potentially having the new engine too..... Also he mentioned that it initially would only come as an avant too.... I'll belive that load of tripe when I see it in the flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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