Andy_Bangle Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Formula One takes its championship duel between Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel and Ferrari's Fernando Alonso to the season-ending race in Sao Paulo this week after those two finished second and third Sunday at the US Grand Prix. If Vettel wins another world championship, he'll join Michael Schumacher and Juan Manuel Fangio as the only drivers to win three in a row. On paper, it is hard to see how Vettel can lose. But Brazil is known for its unpredictable weather and if this season has proved anything it is that nothing can be taken for granted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Can't wait, it's always a good race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Looking forward to it, Brazil does indeed often create an interesting race, lets hope they don't try to kidnap Vettel or Alonso like they almost did with Button was it last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 On paper, it is hard to see how Vettel can lose. But Brazil is known for its unpredictable weather and if this season has proved anything it is that nothing can be taken for granted I for one would not like to be the chap at Renault who's responsible for the RedBull alternators.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 So do you put SV on par with Schumi and Fangio? Or is F1 more about the car and designer than the driver. He could easily make it 4 in a row with Hamilton out of the running next year. I'm not sure if he's that good. Newey is in my eyes the genius. His cars are unbelievable. I'd love to see Mercedes, Williams, Renault all get nearer to them in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 BBC Sport - Formula 1's greatest drivers. Number 8: Sebastian Vettel NBC has him at number 8 above Niki Lauda. Will be getting the beers and pizzas in for Sunday. Hoping for a great race :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I think there is always an element of car and drive in every race, I'd argue that the cars have become a little harder recently than some of the active cars of the 90s. SV doesn't seem to be highly rated but the comes a point when you have to say he is very fast over a lap and race and his team mate is a fast drive that he consistently is able to beat on a level playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I would love to he a fly on the wall in Maranello to see what devious schemes they are plotting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Anyone else watching the Classic F1 Brazil races? I'm watching on Freeview 301, but not sure what that might be on Sky. I think it might be red button on BBC. So far watched highlights of: '89 when Mansell won his first race out in the Fezza, '93 when Senna beat Damon Hill with the variable weather and now '82 with Pique vs Rosberg. Dad Fight! Wish I'd known these were on if they've been doing it every race weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) Anyone else watching the Classic F1 Brazil races? I'm watching on Freeview 301, but not sure what that might be on Sky. I think it might be red button on BBC. So far watched highlights of:'89 when Mansell won his first race out in the Fezza, '93 when Senna beat Damon Hill with the variable weather and now '82 with Pique vs Rosberg. Dad Fight! Wish I'd known these were on if they've been doing it every race weekend. They have being doing the classic races on the red button for the last couple of years I caught the end of the '93 one yesterday before the 2nd practice Predictions are it's going to be a wet race tomorrow Edited November 24, 2012 by Cuprabob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I can see Vettel getting clipped by a Massa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I can see Vettel getting clipped by a Massa! I think that would result in a lifetime ban for Massa, but then again would it matter as he'll only have one more year anyway and a massive cheque from Ferrari. It would be funny if by some weird circumstance of fate if it was Mark that took him out I want to see a goo clean race. My prediction; 1. Hamilton 2. Vettel 3. Button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Bob's predictions look good to me, if it rains though, bets are off. I imagine there'll be some frantic driving from those wanting to prove a point and/or looking for a seat next year. Massa clattering Seb ? Schuey doing something odd ? Stranger things have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted November 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Tomorrow will be the last race of Schumacher and the likely last race of Kovalainen, Kobayashi, the Senna name and Humphrey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted November 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Didn't see that coming, was expecting Massa to drop out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted November 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) Maldonado gets penalty. Alonso up to P7 and clean side of track With Massa just after Vettel, Alonso further back, do you reckon Massa will "help" Alonso by "accidentally" taking out Vettel? Will we see another Crashgate scandal? I wonder what the FIA would do.. Can't exclude Alonso based on what Massa does.. unless they had proof that it wasn't just Massa's decision, but I wonder if the FIA would really go after Ferrari like that. On Sky they asked Stefano Domenicali if they were going to repeat what they did in Austin and Stefano replied a flat "No". I guess we'll see, though. Edited November 24, 2012 by Andy_Bangle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 In the interviews Massa was giving any hint about helping Alonso, It was all about "my home race" and "my people". But we all know he will help Alonso when he's told to. Ferrari are more devious than that, they will promise one of the back markers s future at Ferrari if they take Vettel out as he laps them. Even with Vettel out Alonso needs to be at the sharp end I don't see a McLaren letting him by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted November 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 they will promise one of the back markers s future at Ferrari if they take Vettel out as he laps them. Good point, there are 6 Ferrari powered cars on the track with at least 3 drivers who've got nothing to loose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) Frankly I find all this caricaturing of Ferrari as some kind of despicably evil wacky races team just a little bit tiresome. I'll be amazed if there are any deliberate attempts to "take a car out"; if there are it's just as likely to be Webber or a Torro Rosso on Alonso. Yes, STR use Ferrari engines, but their stronger allegiance is as Red Bull's junior team. Ferrari know something has to happen for Alonso to win. Thus, the gamble on a wet set up is a no brainer. It may have harmed his grid position (but not by much looking at recent quali performances), but if it's a wet race it might just give him the advantage he needs. If it doesn't rain, the WDC would almost certainly have been Vettel's anyway. Edited November 24, 2012 by garcon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I'm going to stick my neck out... Button Alonso Maaaaark Button is on great form and seems to be a bit of a rain meister these days, Alonso is also good in the rain, whilst I think Seb may well play safe and do as little as he needs to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 My comments were very tongue in cheek Garcon . I honestly don't believe they would do such a thing, especially under Stefano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted November 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Gaycon, we're talking rolling rolling road blocks, not ethnic clensing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Fair enough! I must admit I sometimes find it difficult to distinguish the parodies from the legions of idiot "fans" who actually believe it's all a huge pro-Ferrari conspiracy. They're just like all the "anyone but United" loonies in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Nothing wrong with a few conspiracies, but even Massa got upset over them: News from The Associated Press and as for Vettel No charisma, got the best car, just lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 May the best man win:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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