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I fear it may be a messy affair with a lot of clinching etc as so often happens.

Canello v Cotto could be fight of the year, with the winner lining up for GGG. Both awesome fighters so a tough one to call.

The Eubank Jr fight last night was the biggest missmatch I have seen in a long time, although Jr did look potentially very much improved.....the matching was a joke.

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Triple G appears to be some form of superhuman pugilist

I can only figure that he has some form of super dense heavy skeleton as he hits with both hands like he is carrying a roll of quarters in each glove, cant say I have ever seen a middleweight bang quite like he does with either paw

He uses torque to increase power by throwing hooks and overhand rights, but accelerating his hips ahead of the punch to generate torque. Gatti used to do it.

Sounds easy, but isnt.

In slow motion you can sometimes see him pivot on his left foot as he throws a left hook, so his body accelerates ahead of the punch.

His left hook to the body is deadly......but so was his ramrod jab in his fight last week.

He seems to have the whole package!

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Golovkin take Mayweather?

 

There's more chance of me beating Usain Bolt over 100m.

 

As much as it might be a nice thought, Golovkin would never stand a chance.  I loathe the man, but Mayweather is simply in another league altogether.  He'd dance around all night and box Golovkin's head off.  KO plain and simple.  Golovkin wouldn't even get to the scorecards.

 

Golovkin has faced absolutely nobody of major note.  Lemieux had already been knocked on his rear by Rubio, beaten by Alcine and won the vacant title against a Canadian (whose name I can never get right) who he couldn't knock out and went to a points victory against.

 

Murray took him 11 rounds (and caught him with a shot that he then didn't capitalise on and should have done.  He showed that Golovkin is no machine and I can see him getting TKO'd when he comes up against quality opposition).

 

Sorry, but I don't buy the hype - and it is hype until he faces someone who can actually box.  Golovkin is a brilliantly managed brutal fighter of limited boxing ability in my opinion.

 

I think Eubank Jnr, given another 4-5 fights, could give him a very stern test indeed.  He was silly against Saunders but he has learned from that and the fight against Jeter was nothing more than a stage managed comeback.  Every boxing promoter does it but he'll be back against proper fighters soon.

 

Canelo v Cotto is likely to see Canelo win (Cotto is well past it in my opinion and has been for some time now) and Canelo might give Golovkin something to think about. 

 

Golovkin is an all-action fighter that people love to watch, including me.

 

He'll move up a weight soon anyway.  I'm afraid to say I think he's making the most of a division that hasn't got a lot more to offer right now.  Can't blame him for that and the press are doing a fantastic job of building him up to be something he isn't.  Puncher, yes.  Opposition for Mayweather?  Laughable in my opinion.

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Well that's that then.

 

Just my two-penneth.+++

 

I just don't get the hype when he hasn't faced anyone of real note, that's all....

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Golovkin take Mayweather?

 

 

Murray took him 11 rounds (and caught him with a shot that he then didn't capitalise on and should have done.  He showed that Golovkin is no machine and I can see him getting TKO'd when he comes up against quality opposition).

 

 

 

Mayweather is too smart to get into a ring with him or Khan for that matter, he has carefully chosen his opponents and is boring to watch with his marvellous technique of running around the ring jabbing and holding when he comes up against anyone who is decen

 

He only takes the pacman fight after he sees him getting laid out cold and he has not been the same fighter since

 

I have a huge amount of time for Murray as a boxer and a bloke, your comments seem to dismiss him as being not up too much in the ring?

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Mayweather is too smart to get into a ring with him or Khan for that matter, he has carefully chosen his opponents and is boring to watch with his marvellous technique of running around the ring jabbing and holding when he comes up against anyone who is decen

 

He only takes the pacman fight after he sees him getting laid out cold and he has not been the same fighter since

 

I have a huge amount of time for Murray as a boxer and a bloke, your comments seem to dismiss him as being not up too much in the ring?

 

How has he chosen his opponents too carefully?  Why fight Khan?  The guy has been beaten more times than most of FMJ's other opponents! 

 

Murray isn't on a world title level, never mind the elite level.  FMJ is in a class of his own and probably one of the best 5 fighters of all time.  I cannot abide the man but I fail to see how anyone can have anything but the utmost respect of his boxing genius.  The game isn't about getting hit.  He is an absolute master of boxing.

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I don't follow boxing that closely, but am I the only one who thinks Khan has never quite made that final step to the top table? I certainly don't see him as a contender to beat Mayweather.

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I don't follow boxing that closely, but am I the only one who thinks Khan has never quite made that final step to the top table? I certainly don't see him as a contender to beat Mayweather.

 

Spot on.  He certainly isn't at the table Mayweather is at.  Not even in the same room.

 

If we consider Mayweather in a league of his own, with 4 divisions below him.  I'd put Khan firmly two levels beneath him.  The worst thing possible for Khan would be for FMJ to accept a challenge from him.  It would be humiliating.  Khan is exciting but the sport is about winning and mastering the art of boxing, and that's something he'll never do.

 

p.s. and he should forget FMJ completely and fight Brook - because he'll lose that too.  If there is one boxer out there who could give FMJ a contest (and still lose in all probabiity), it might, just might, be Kell Brook.  I say that for one reason alone.  He can actually 'box' and isn't just a fighter.  I know I can be a bit harsh on some fighters but I do find that a lot of people confuse boxing with fighting.  If a fighter comes up against a boxer, the former rarely wins.

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.  FMJ is in a class of his own and probably one of the best 5 fighters of all time.  I cannot abide the man but I fail to see how anyone can have anything but the utmost respect of his boxing genius.  The game isn't about getting hit.  He is an absolute master of boxing.

 

I suggest a look at his fight with 39 year old Shane Mosley who would have whipped him senseless in his prime

 

Shane clips him in the second and he only stays up by desperately clinging on to his arm like a prostitue on a p1ssed punter, remeber by a 39 year old well past his prime, difference is that Mosley was a great boxer in his hey day FMW is pretty average, compared to some of the previous greats of the ring, the one's worth watching

 

The thing is a great boxer who is one that can mix it when required, not spending the whole fight avoiding any sort of meaningful confrontation, the bloke is totally sh1te to watch

 

If I wanted to watch someone who was brilliant at not getting hit, I would just slap on some of Herol Grahams past fights and marvel at his skills of evasion

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I don't know a single boxing fan, other than you now, who would say Shane Mosley was in the same class as FMJ.  Not today, yesterday, ever.

 

But hey, such is the entertainment value of everyone having their own opinion.+++

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So. Tyson Fury. A modern day Ali. Without using swear words, discuss.

:bike:

 

I refuse to waste any more energy on that prick.

 

But you knew that. :roflmao:

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I don't know a single boxing fan, other than you now, who would say Shane Mosley was in the same class as FMJ.  Not today, yesterday, ever.

 

But hey, such is the entertainment value of everyone having their own opinion. +++

 

My point exactly, Mosley at 39 clipped him and had he been in his prime would have finished him off in that fight no problem

 

FMW is just plain boring to watch, compare any of his fights to say Froch V Kessler which were absolutely rivetting stuff, or Benn v Mc Clellan, Eubank V Carl Thompson,Hagler Hearns, or any of Roberto Durans championship fights, sorry but if there was ever an overated & over hyped fighter it has to be FMW

 

Name one fight which he has been involved in that was great to watch?

 

Anything spring to mind without a great deal of thought?

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Name one fight which he has been involved in that was great to watch?

 

Anything spring to mind without a great deal of thought?

 

That depends on what you think is great to watch.

Everyone likes a Hagler v Hearns slugfest, but I'm just as entertained by the sheer art of the sport - and nobody demonstrates that better than FMJ.

Take a fight that most people know of - Hatton.  He threw everything at FMJ and, in retrospect, did very well indeed compared to what has come since from opponents.  Yet FMJ took him apart tactically.  He knew exactly what he'd do, when he'd do it and how he could dominate - and he did.  He jabbed his head off to the point that the first sucker punch was always going to lead to the end.  It did.

We're not entertained by the same things.

Kessler v Froch was a great fight to watch, but so was Calzaghe v Kessler and the two are brilliant examples of how entertainment couldn't be more different.

In the Froch fights you got a slugfest.  In the Calzaghe fight you watched a man with such astonishing handspeed, co-ordination and boxing brilliance, completely destroy a man of such undeniable toughness as Kessler. 

The comparison always makes me think the same too - what a shame we never got to see Joe destroy Froch.  It would have been carnage,

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Mayweather has mastered the art of boxing...'hit and don't get hit'...using the Philly Shell/Shoulder roll. And to great effect.

But I personally think GGG has got enough intelligence and angles to beat him. But we will probably never know.

One of the other great boxers of our time - Rigondeaux - has now been stripped of both titles due to lack of activity. Shame, as he is also an absolute master of the art of boxing on his day.

Cannello v Cotto soon +++ can't wait!

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Rigondeaux - 15 fights in 7 years.

 

I have a bit of an issue with his label as one of the best ever, and it is this:

 

Firstly, how can we really know when he's only had 15 fights in that length of time?  It's a tricky one.

 

Well, you could say that winning The Ring championship is the ultimate and I'd agree with that.  It is a much better gauge nowadays than one of the mass of belts available.  I also think his fights were against largely decent opponents.

 

But....boxers can boss promoters and sack them.  He didn't.  His entire management team became notorious for the word 'impossible'.    Nobody in boxing was interested because they made deals completely unacceptable.  I am of the opinion that even the most awkward of boxers will eventually drop a deal to the right level to get the fight done.

 

I have problems with the Klitschko's for the same reason.

 

The obvious answer is that you look at his amateur record.  It is nothing short of incredible.  Something like 10 losses in 450+ fights.  That is very, very special.

 

Unfortunately though, he allowed promoters to blemish his potential and he'll never go down in my book as a great because of it - but I would agree that he could have done, without question.

 

On GGG v FMJ, I agree we won't see it.  Why would Floyd want it?  There isn't anything else for him to prove and I think he'd only come back for a Pac rematch and the money that would come with it.  The sad thing is that GGG wouldn't bring the PPV money that Pac would and we all know that FMJ has one obsession - cash.

 

I can't criticise him though because he has earned it.  I wish GGG well.  He'd certainly knock Khan into the next century.  Brook would be a very different matter....

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I was with Ingles gym....Brendon, Kell Brook, Kid Gallahad and a few others last Nov at their camp in Fuerte.

I got invited by one of the team and they had me down for some sparring with Kell before his world title fight (unbeknown to me).

Luckily, on the day I was late......Otherwise it would have been very embarrassing.

I think I may have slightly oversold my skill level :D

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Also just read that Mayweather v Khan is possible for Jan and Khan v Pacman is a done deal for April in Vegas.

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If he fights Mayweather in January, he sure as hell won't be fighting in April...:roflmao:

 

Not without everything being a blur anyway! :roflmao:

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I just can't see why Mayweather would come out of retirement for Khan. 

 

Money, I know.  It is his primary motivation too, but he'll have not proved anything by punching Khan around a ring for 12 rounds. 

 

I still can't quite understand why Khan thinks he deserves a shot at him!  If I was Khan I'd be trying to silence people (like me) by fighting Brook first.  Froch did it with Groves, Groves did it with De Gale, even Haye did with with Fraudley, so why he thinks Brook is below him is anyones guess.  I suspect he knows there is a very high chance of him being retired after the match.

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Agree with all that.

I do wonder how much better Khan is under Virgil Hunter long term?

Ftom what i have read he is a great trainer. Intelligent and tactical. Worked well with Andre Ward.

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Callum Smith was outstanding last night.  That guy could be destined for a very big career.

 

Oh and Sean Dodd was robbed of the decency of a judges decision instead of that appalling last minute stoppage by Terry O'Connor.

 

On Khan and Hunter, I honestly don't think any trainer can change his style and the fact he'll always get into a brawl when it is least required.

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The Dodd stoppage was way too fast. To not even give him a count proved the politics at play in boxing.

I was disappointed with the smith v fielding fight. I was looking forward to it for a while and it was an anticlimax for me.

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