Andy_Bangle

BMW M2

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The 2-series LCI is MY18, so July 2017, can't see much being changed on the M2 apart from a price rise and more expensive options being added (LED lights). There's a faint possibly BMW will drop the reworked N55 and stick in a new 400hp B series 4 pot which seems to be the trend these days with German manufacturers.

BMW GB's allocation for 2016 sold out long ago with many dealers only getting 3 cars this year (demo + 2 customer cars), be interesting to see how 2017 sales go, but don't wait to long to get the MY18 order in +++

My car is a similar spec, with the addition of a sunroof. Still waiting to get a build date which needs to be between April - July or I won't be taking delivery.

Interesting many feel the 2series LCI is model year 2017 so this July, m235i going to m240i too

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BMW removed the reporting embargo on M2 at midnight therefore the reviews are now pouring :)

 

http://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m2/17373/bmw-m2-review-is-the-new-baby-m-car-a-return-to-form-for-the-m-division

 

http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/m2/first-drive

 

Geek points about the tyres: "The 19 inch Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires are custom made for the M2 with the fronts focusing on turn in and the rears on linear traction. The sizes are also a perfect balance and despite the rears being 20mm wider then the fronts the balance is not upset. An interesting tidbit on tires, when you burn through your M2 tires, which you will, be sure to get BMW spec Pilot Super Sports as your replacements to retain the handling and performance. BMW spec tires have a star on the sidewall. "

 

"And compared to the M235i? It’s harder edged in every way. Power, power delivery, grip levels, braking ability. As good as it is, there’s not a single way that the M235i comes even close to comparing favorably to the M2. They are materially different animals."

 

 

Still waiting for BMW-fanboy videos from Monkey and Mr Sutcliffe :coffee:

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I really like LBB in some photos, but in other lights there's far too much teal in the blue. It's certainly a bold colour and suits the M2 but I need something more discrete hence going for boring AW.

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Looking forward to seeing an M2 in it, but yes it wouldn't be my choice.

Still torn about the M2. Rumours from road testers suggest BMW have really excelled themselves on the pure driving dynamics front. In many ways it shows good sense to spend the development money where it matters.

I just can't get away from the fact it's a lot of money for a standard 2 series interior, and all the usual M goodies are extras.

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BMW M2 Laguna Seca Drive 

 

 

BMW M2, BMW 1 Series M Coupe and BMW 2002 turbo on Racetrack

 

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The first full review & shake down has been done by C&D: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-bmw-m2-full-test-review
 
12.7 @ 113 mph, means the M2 is E92 M3 quick. Wait until they test the DCT. It will only be faster!
 
Car           CurbW 0-60 1/4 mi    skidpad
1M 6MT        3340  4.5  13.0@109  0.97 
M235i AT      3525  4.3  12.9@109  0.94
M235i 6MT     3490  4.9  13.4@106  0.92
M2 6MT        3415  4.2  12.7@113  0.99
M4 DCT        3615  3.7  12.0@119  1.00
M4 6MT        3556  4.1  12.4@117  0.98
911 Carrera   3164  4.2  12.7@113  0.98 
Cayman S PDK  3131  4.1  12.6@112  0.99
Audi S3       3300  4.4  12.9@108  N/A
GLA45 AMG     3589  4.2  12.8@109  0.96

The M2 results match the 911 exactly.

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Flip the Auto 235i is fast when you consider it's price compared to the others in that list.

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Yeh, that really is a bargain car - punching well above it's weight. A relatively cheap JB4 plug-in box can add up to 50hp to the wheels on a completely stock car or a shitload more on a fully modified car.

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Given its C&D, it is worth noting that these will not be pure standing start figures. American testers use the 1ft roll out method.

Still makes interesting reading comparing the cars. My 30000 Mile M135i auto felt very very quick.

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Flip the Auto 235i is fast when you consider it's price compared to the others in that list.

This makes the wait for my M235i due in 5 weeks even worse

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The first full review & shake down has been done by C&D: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-bmw-m2-full-test-review

12.7 @ 113 mph, means the M2 is E92 M3 quick. Wait until they test the DCT. It will only be faster!

Car           CurbW 0-60 1/4 mi    skidpad
1M 6MT        3340  4.5  13.0@109  0.97 
M235i AT      3525  4.3  12.9@109  0.94
M235i 6MT     3490  4.9  13.4@106  0.92
M2 6MT        3415  4.2  12.7@113  0.99
M4 DCT        3615  3.7  12.0@119  1.00
M4 6MT        3556  4.1  12.4@117  0.98
911 Carrera   3164  4.2  12.7@113  0.98 
Cayman S PDK  3131  4.1  12.6@112  0.99
Audi S3       3300  4.4  12.9@108  N/A
GLA45 AMG     3589  4.2  12.8@109  0.96
Golf GTi MkV  3300 3.5      11.6@ 131 0.99
The M2 results match the 911 exactly.

Nice to see the GTi is till King

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Over the 1/4 mile distance it might look close, but it isn't.

 

If you watch a car cross the line in 12.7s (M2) and then another in 12.9s (M235i) - that 0.2s looks like a lot more in the flesh.

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Over the 1/4 mile distance it might look close, but it isn't.

 

If you watch a car cross the line in 12.7s (M2) and then another in 12.9s (M235i) - that 0.2s looks like a lot more in the flesh.

Boooo

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Given the cash saved, I'd put up with the 0.2 seconds...

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Given the cash saved, I'd put up with the 0.2 seconds...

 

It's a lot more than raw performance though.  I was very sceptical about how the M2 would look but I think in the looks stakes alone it is a far better looking car than the 235 - and then there'll be the handling difference.

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It's a lot more than raw performance though.  I was very sceptical about how the M2 would look but I think in the looks stakes alone it is a far better looking car than the 235 - and then there'll be the handling difference.

Stop I have to wait for the M2

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It's a lot more than raw performance though.  I was very sceptical about how the M2 would look but I think in the looks stakes alone it is a far better looking car than the 235 - and then there'll be the handling difference.

Of course. I was being a touch facetious.

Regardless it does highlight the 235i as a total performance bargin!

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I will jump in here now from the General Cars thread. +++

What's the perceived wisdom on manual v DCT for an M2?

I would actually prefer manual to drive and it's cheaper, but which is the most 'sensible' option (resales etc)?

Also any 'must have' or 'waste of money' options - as it's my first BMW?

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All depends what creature comforts you want and how you'll be using the car, there will be lots of LBB strippers out there with the 6MT, manual seats and no satnav.

My spec is below and base specs differ between here and the U.K. None of the options make a performance difference (apart from the DCT), they all add weight (~40kg), and are mostly for comfort or looks (M Perforance CF parts). I only ordered the GPS Pro as the dash looks terrible with business nav, the BMW connected services are good if you do a lot of city or motorway driving but as my car will never see a city center or a motorway I opted out of those gadgets.

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2MK BMW M automatväxellåda med dubbelkoppling (DCT) och Drivelogic

3AG Backkamera / rear view camera

403 Elektrisk glastaklucka / sunroof

420 Tonade sidorutor bak samt bakruta / tints

430 Automatiskt avbländbara inner och ytter-speglar, elektriskt infällbara / electric tinting mirrors

431 Automatiskt avbländbar innerbackspegel / auto dipping rear view mirror

459 Sätesinställning elektrisk, med minne / electric seats

524 Adaptiva Kurvljus / adaptive lights

563 Belysningspaket / interior lights package

5AC Helljusassistent / main beam assist

609 Navigationssystem Professional / nav pro

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DCT v 6MT is one thing of those endless debates. If you want involment get the manual, if you want flappy padals and one of the best boxes on the market get the DCT. I'd suggest you take out a couple of M3/4 demo cars and test them back to back +++ you could even go pick garçon up as no one will lend him one!

With the manual you'll save a couple grand plus it has hill-hold assist - the car will hold the brakes for you for about 3 seconds so it won't roll backwards. It rev matches for you when downshifting so grandma will think that you're a pro. It is possible to turn it off (DSC OFF mode) or code it off so you can learn how to rev match / heel-toe.

DCT is a very, very good transmission. Not as good as PDK-S, but it's one of the best. The thing is that these cars may be one of the last to have three pedals and a gearstick ...

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I have to believe that the M2 driver could have done a better lap without all the oversteer and sloppy driving.

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