bazza_g

Almost a new biker....

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Hello peeps! Never thought I'd be starting a thread in this section of the forum!

After a brief hiccup Module 1 is out of the way and Module 2 is this coming Friday (squeak!).... Not taking anything for granted but providing all goes well I will soon be bike shopping which, after a great day at the NEC on Monday, is looking like a lot of fun!

The test ride short list is currently running at:

  • Triumph Street Triple (soon to be replaced I believe)
  • Triumpg Street Twin
  • Ducati Scrambler (full throttle)
  • Yamaha MT-07 and 09 
  • Harley 883 Iron (stop laughing at the back)

I don't want anything too nuts, insurance for a newbie will be a kick in the nuts but I'm used to that with cars... Am I missing anything obvious that should go on the test ride list?

cheers,

B

 

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Well done so far +++

Really hard to advise on the bike. What's the planned use?

Many people warn about getting too big a bike by which they're normally talking about the power. The thing with that is yes you can get yourself into trouble but you're in control of the throttle and you don't have to twist it past anywhere you're happy. On my first bike (CBR600) I didn't go over 8k rpm for about the first 4-6 months!

For me the issue with bigger bikes for newbies is the extra weight. That makes them less forgiving, easier to drop etc.

At the same time if you go to small you'll get bored to quick and want to change .... which maybe isn't a bad thing aside from the hit on the wallet.

You def need to test ride the bikes. Even if your heart is set on one from the looks, the brochure etc the reality can be very different and of course we're all different shapes and sizes and what fits one doesn't work for others - my Blackbird being a case in point.

Some people love twins/triples or IL4's etc. You won't know until you have a go. It may be you like the naked styling but then don't like your head being blown back by the wind and lack of protection from weather. At least with a naked if/when you drop it there's less plastics to damage hehehe

I'm prob the wrong one to ask if you're just after want a Sunday funbike as I'm def head over heart. 

Choosing which bike is a nice prob to have.

Good luck on Friday. :)

(I think I did well not commenting on the Harley!!)

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Why not cut your teeth on any of the half sized sports bikes for a season and build up a bit of NCD?

Yamaha R3

Kawasaki Ninja 300

Honda 300

Please don't get a Harley, your not old enough :) 

 

 

 

 

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Very good points cheers! Use will be weekend riding with some mates locally - zip down to Goodwood for breakfast early morning stuff. Zero interest in commuting, though I guess that could change when the weather is nice but generally all the gear is a bit of a faff and I don't spend much time at the office anyway.

I'd like something agile but weight isn't a big worry - the Yamaha XJ6 I've been learning/testing on is something like 220kg ready to ride, most of the options listed apart from the Harley are well under that.

Appreciate the naked look doesn't give much protection from the elements, however it also helps encourage you to keep to a sensible speed lol! Defo not in the market for sports/super sports - the riding position would play havoc with my lower back probs, I sat on a R1 and could imagine being in pain after less than 5 mins....

Getting a MT09 and being restrained with right hand could make more financial sense than buying an 07 and then wanting to change it after 6 months!

Looking forward to the test drives anyway - going to make sure I don't make any rash decisions! 

Cheers :)

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Bazza's looking at a Harley :roflmao:

Buy a CBR600 and ride it for a year.  Quick, but not too quick, and then use the time to work on your riding technique before you get an R1 :grin:

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1 hour ago, Mook said:

Bazza's looking at a Harley :roflmao:

Buy a CBR600 and ride it for a year.  Quick, but not too quick, and then use the time to work on your riding technique before you get an R1 :grin:

A CBR600 is nowhere near the list lol! With my dodgy back (a bit like your knees Charles!) no way for me to get comfortable on a sports bike - upright roadsters are the order of the day +++ 

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12 hours ago, Calm Chris said:

Why not cut your teeth on any of the half sized sports bikes for a season and build up a bit of NCD?

Yamaha R3

Kawasaki Ninja 300

Honda 300

Please don't get a Harley, your not old enough :) 

 

 

 

 

As with Mook - none of this sports bike stuff will work for me lol! +++

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4 hours ago, Mook said:

Buy a CBR600 and ride it for a year.  Quick, but not too quick, and then use the time to work on your riding technique before you get an R1 :grin:

And if you get an R1 you may also wish to consider one of the many competitive packages from Co-op Funeralcare. 

:secret:

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3 hours ago, NewNiceMrMe said:

BMW R1200 GS Adventure. +++ 

A great bike but not really what I'm looking for in a first bike lol! 

It is a 1200, it is massive 260kg lump - and I've no intention to go 'adventuring' in the near future!

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If you take your list (in the first post) and assess value for money then I think the Yamaha MT-07 is the winner.

Even I know that the reviews on that have been very favourable when it comes to the fun per pound spent.

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Yup - not read a bad word about the MT-07, especially if you add a nice Ti Akra to it. Financially a carefully ridden MT-09 would avoid the "change bikes in 6 months' pitfall that I am told is very common... ;)

 

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 Nice work Bazza. Always admired motorbikes, only the sporty ones mind you. Most Ducatis and those R1s look the nuts!

Would never get one mind you. 

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MT09. But I'm biased, as I own one. I passed my test in October last year. Did the training on the MT07 and decided before Mod 2 that the MT was the bike for me. I've test rode more bikes a year or so later than I did then. 

The choice of weapon for weekend hoons will mean different things to everything, but I'm not dissimilar to you in bike experience, but I commute on my '9 and in the weekends, push my limits (within reason) on fast road rides. I thought of going straight to the 7, but after a few days of training on one, new I'd crave the extra power of the 9. For me it was the right decision. 118bhp isn't scary, trust me. It's powerful but not a 1000 sports bike. It's a (850) triple, so silky smooth - unlike a twin which is lumpy, with engine braking (but sound demonic on full chat), which are designed for high speed, not low speeds. The power delivery is very linear and progressive. It has plenty of power for blasts with your mates. I took my 9 to Catalyna with Scotty and his mates (champion 4 days, and awesome company, track and weather - cheers Scotty +++) and by day 3, was pushing the bike and myself hard and it's more than capable. It's no sports bike, and so isn't as pinned, poised like a sports bike and isn't designed for track purpose, so I was whipped on the straights and out of the corners by 600s and Thous (and better riders), but I was pretty much flat out at 150mph and it's nicely planted. It's well balanced and confident in the corners, brakes are brilliant (the front was well tested at Catalyna) but most overwhelming feeling is that power is delivered so linear and perfectly, for me. I appreciate that power delivery is subjective. I've since test ridden a 959 (twin) and a GSXR750 (in-line 4) and still prefer the power delivery of the 9. On track, I'd have the GSXR or the Ducati as the power is all about 8000 revs plus. For fast, fun road riding, and for working your way through traffic with ease, the 9's triple is sublime. I'm 6'1" and the riding position is perfect. Bars are wide controls are great (the horn's not well placed, but I never use it) and the 3 ECU modes are changeable on the fly. STD mode is 95% of the full power, and ideal for everyday town use. B (is boring) or rain mode and 85% of the power is available, but to be honest, unless you ride like a pensioner, you'd never use this mode. A-mode, is anarchic and all 118 ponies are available. In A, throttle response is noticeably more responsive and you can wheelie in 1st, 2nd from the lights, easily. A-mode is fast road/weekend mode and acceleration is hard and fast. STD is no slouch, believe me, but this bike isn't a 1000 sports bike, so it's more forgiving than one. The 9 is my first big bike and I don't regret it for a second. 

Negatives, there are some: Stock suspension is shite - very basic, so an upgraded shock and fork springs or full on internals/cartridges will make the world of difference. I went with Nitron shock and RaceTec springs, both custom for my weight, and thicker fork oil.

The seat is pretty hard and takes some getting used to it, but 4000 miles later, I don't notice it, but after an hour or so, you're glad for a wee arse rest.

Standard exhaust is actually very good at it's job, but could do with being noisier, but that's all subjective. I went for a full SP Engineering system, and it's fooking loud with baffles in, but I like that - helps in London traffic!

Tail tidy - it needs one. All new bikes need one!

Radiator guard - it needs one. Again, most new bikes need one really.

There's other upgrades I did, but are not needed by any stretch of the imagination, which include, adjustable levers (very handy), little sports screen, ECU remap, seat cowl (turns it into a single seater) and engine protectors.

Thing is, the MT does it's job effortlessly. It's a delight and low and fast speeds. It's light (188kgs with a full tank) and nimble and combined with seat height, size and length, is a very useable bike which you can chuck about. I'd go as far as to say it flatters the rider, like a sublime high-end DH MTB will do! The 9 isn't high-end; it's a budget naked with a sublime and awesome, industry respected triple engine. Yamaha shouldn't have scrimped on the suspension, but then at £7500, it's a steal given what you get out of it. So what if it doesn't give you any protection against the elements - it's a fast, fun bike and the smile it puts on your face on a daily basis will make up for the wind buffeting you get at 80mph plus. It's not a sports bike after all, and let's face it, any bike (that's not a sports bike) with a screen, is going to be dull, boring and sluggish. The ABS model is well handy, especially in wet conditions and hard braking, avoiding lock-up. Mine 9 is a late 2015, but new bikes have TC, but I can't comment how that is. May be worth a visit to http://mt09.motorcycle-talk.com/ - there's some very knowledgeable folk on there, some with the latest 9 models.

Insurance in my first year was close to £900, but that was with 6 points (CU90 and SP30). I'm 45 and live in south west London. This year was £400 and that's with 2 years NCB. A quote for a 2015 GSXR 750 was £1200 for this year. If you do decide on the MT, seriously, don't bother with the 7. You'll out grow it in weeks. Go straight for the 9 and enjoy biking. Great first bike, but definitely change the shock and fork internals straight away.

As Scotty says, choosing which bike is a nice problem to have +++

 

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Hi Jon - thank you for the excellent information, Scotty was saying you guys had a ball in Spain!

Will definitely test the 07 and 09 - the 07 is still in the frame after reading this months Bike mag real world performance test in which it more than held its own against much more expensive competition +++

The upgrades you've made sound interesting - does that mess up insurance in the same way car mods do? Updating the suspension, exhaust, ECU and some cosmetics sounds like insurance license to stiff you! 

 

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Yep, like car mods - some the insurers are happy about and some have a small premium attached to them. Upgraded fork internals and remap would go unnoticed. Exhausts are a different matter, sadly. 

Best of luck for tomorrow matey. You'll breeze it, you'll see. Confidence, confidence, confidence, and whatever you do, don't forget your life savers +++

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6 hours ago, garcon magnifique said:

Yep, good luck Bazza. +++ 

I'm a bit jealous really. Should have gone for it years ago. I feel closer to a mobility scooter than a bike these days... :secret:

And this one for you Garcon :grin:

 

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Holy carp - I'm a biker!!!! :) 

Interesting module 2 ride, even had to do a real emergency stop after some old dears pressed the button on a crossing (40mph dual carriageway) - it instantly went amber and they just stepped out into the road!

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It's strange feeling when you're a car guy ... and suddenly you've got a bike licence :grin:

Well done Bazza +++

Rule 1 : always ride your own ride 

Rule 2 : see Rule 1

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