billy2shots

SD, HD , Ultra HD

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With the recent introduction of Ultra HD I can't help feel sceptical. 

I'm not technology minded at all but with my aging eyes I'm sure it's all a fiddle. When HD started to roll out I'm almost positive standard definition was toned down some how to make it look like HD was some magic creation.

i have just watched a 'sky' advert asking punters for £12 a month to buy Ultra HD. Am I naive in thinking normal HD is going to take a hit in quality to push the virtues of ultra HD?  

I realise I'm rambling and I'm naturally a sceptical person but something is screaming 'the emperor's new clothes ' to me. 

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Ultra HD might benefit people who bought a massive screen and don't have the viewing distance?

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15 minutes ago, Scotty said:

Ultra HD might benefit people who bought a massive screen and don't have the viewing distance?

Council houses.....

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26 minutes ago, Scotty said:

Ultra HD might benefit people who bought a massive screen and don't have the viewing distance?

You mean people who bought the wrong telly?

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I nearly wrote that :)

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At my age my eyesight is not good enough to appreciate the extra clarity so would be a waste of money...

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Can't disagree more, UHD looks simply stunning on a decent TV, HDR/Dolby Vision (and BBC's upcoming HLG) even better although the difference between UHD and HDR/DV is less than the difference between HD and UHD, the key being having a TV that does it justice, OLED has now matured and definitely does that.

 

Mrs T was sceptical, thought spending nearly £3k on a TV was a waste of money but even she says the picture in UHD and HDR/DV is stunning and that 'normal' HD now looks rubbish.

 

Thing is though, common consensus seems to be that UHD is only of benefit on screen sizes 55" and over, anything bigger than that in an average sized lounge will look pretty daft, so I think UHD will be the end of the definition race save for specialist applications, HDR/DV/HLG is where technology is moving now, once those standards are more widespread we'll see what the next generation of tech brings but I think it will be along similar lines giving wider dynamic ranges of colours and contrasts.

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Why don't you just switch off your television set and go do something less boring instead... :P

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3 minutes ago, Mook said:

Why don't you just switch off your television set and go do something less boring instead... :P

And the post about it online :P

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Billy I agree with your conspiracy about SD. I watched a match on my old plasma (we brought it across from old house and put it in front room) and it looks terrible. No way we used to watch matches like that before .

 

and the split screen between hd/ultra looks same as the SD/hd demos 

that being said if I was buying a new tv now I probably would.....

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I never pay for Amazon movies on HD - only SD, as they're cheaper, and I'm a tight-wad :)

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Trouble is, SD looks awful on a large screen, so you probably aren't comparing it fairly to today's significantly larger screens, my nan (before she passed away) still had an old 27" Sony Trinitron CRT TV, and SD content looked exactly the same as it always had, perfectly acceptable, watch the same content on a 40+" Plasma/LCD/ETC and it looks awful.

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It's obviously subjective.  We have a 42" (I think) Samsung and it looks fine on SD.  Yes, it's better on HD, especially any nature stuff (watched Down the Mighty River with Steve Backshall last night and last Sunday on BBC2 HD and the image quality was amazing).

One of the biggest issues with streaming HD movies is that they're compressed so much that a lot of the quality gets ripped out of them anyway.  SD movies aren't compressed as much when they're streamed.  No, it's not the same, but I'm not fussed.

For me, if you can live with the quality, then it's no problem.

Anyway, what's this I hear about colour TVs - apparently they're new and all that..? :P

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I only got rid of our last CRT about 4 months ago :grin:

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I had a 50inch crt at work until last month and only got rid because I was given a new LCD one. 

What people forget is motion lag and black quality. You can have the best picture quality in the world but if it can't handle moving objects or dark film scenes then it's still disappointing. 

Plasma and CRT would always be my preferred sets due to my viewing habits. 

No, not football in the dark. 

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So you're basically into black porn.

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3 minutes ago, Mook said:

So you're basically into black porn.

Rumbled 

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If you sit far away from the TV then you can get away with SD ish. 

Get 50"+ and don't sit that far away and it can look terrible. My 6 year old noticed how bad the Rugby looked the other day in SD having just watched it in HD. 4K again if you aren't that close or if the TV isn't 65"+ then its hard to tell. 

Its often the fact that the 4k panels are just so much better throw HD at them and they look great, 4k and it can be hard to tell its the improvement in the panel that is better not just the fact the resolution has gone up.

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I wonder if it's also down to your eyes? My daughter constantly moans if I have the TV on SD when there's a HD equivalent available. Must admit I only really notice when it's porn sport.

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I turfed out approx 200 vhs cassettes of films today from a wardrobe. I am massively looking forward to watching some of them, especially ones which i recorded on long play behind something else. Should look, erm... stunning. :roflmao:

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3 hours ago, billy2shots said:

I had a 50inch crt at work until last month and only got rid because I was given a new LCD one. 

What people forget is motion lag and black quality. You can have the best picture quality in the world but if it can't handle moving objects or dark film scenes then it's still disappointing. 

Plasma and CRT would always be my preferred sets due to my viewing habits. 

No, not football in the dark. 

You need to look at OLED, you'll never go back to anything else, makes plasma look awful, infinite contrast ratio, nothing does black like OLED, if I'm watching something in a pitch black room and the screen goes black, the TV literally dissapears, if you're watching a film with black bars at the top and bottom of the screen you can't see the bars in a dark room.

 

Try that with a plasma or LED TV and you'll quickly notice that black is actually grey and the room is being lit up by what you thought was a black screen, the OLED emits no light whatsoever on a dark screen.

 

Now that every single manufacturer has ditched 3D, I think they'll all be pushing OLED tech very soon.

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