SherrinR Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 I am looking to buy my first porsche and have found a stunning car advertised as a 1995 (M reg) C4 S (imported from Austria 3 years ago). However, doing some research I find that C4 S were not made until 1996? Also the body has air intakes above the rear wheels, while photos of other C4 S show no intakes - is this because the car was built for the Austrian market or is the dealer advertising it wrong? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 I'm no expert on the 993 4S (Blue is and he will be along soon!) but I know my Porkers and that does not look like a picture of a 4S the only car that came as std with those intakes and the fins on the sides of the front spoiler was the very rare 993 turbo S also whale tail spoiler is a turbo item not S spec (though this could be added as an option) either someone has spent a hell of a lot of dosh speccing bits on a 4S (I mean more £ than to buy a turbo in the first place) or the picture is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 here is a shot of a real 4S for comparison notice no intake and std front spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 bloody small I'm afraid click here instead http://www.tyresmoke.net/gallery/albun14/Side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brabus Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Ta-daa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 wish I could remember how to do that also this pic has the speed-dependent rear spoiler raised manually as Blue was obvioulsy tarting abou with his new toy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherrinR Posted April 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 I've driven the car and I am having an inspection by a porsche dealer this monday....but from your pictures there is something wrong....also was the C4S available in 1995? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Check out the Huggy Bear interior; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 [ QUOTE ] I've driven the car and I am having an inspection by a porsche dealer this monday....but from your pictures there is something wrong....also was the C4S available in 1995? Cheers [/ QUOTE ] Pretty darn sure it was 1996 onwards. Don't quote me on that though! The car in your pic looks fantastic, what mileage and price are we looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherrinR Posted April 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 58k miles, £28k The catch is no history from 1995-2002, then only one service in Aug 02 at a porsche dealer at 49k miles. What do u think - good price or bad price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 [ QUOTE ] The catch is no history from 1995-2002 [/ QUOTE ] Personally I'd run for the hills! No history for nearly all its life...can't be good. That said, if the full Porsche inspection doesn't throw up anything outrageous you might have stumbled on a gem. But....I'm not the expert, stick around and see what Blue says! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby_simon Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Guys, I smell a rat here for some reason. Dunno Porka's except to know I would like one..... Any way, a couple of questions.....from the piccie, it looks like this the only 'valuable' car the dealer has, if so, why has this dealer got it and why is he selling it? Also, does not look like a big dealer, so how come he has this 'valuable' car when the others look like lower end/spec/price cars (even the BM on the RHS looks fairly old......) BTW I am totally paranoid....... and edited to add I agree with Chris re no history.....But wait to see what Blue says...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherrinR Posted April 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 They claim they bought it off another dealer who took it as a part exchange (must call tomorrow and find out what dealer). The lack of history they claim is due to an import from Austria....now I'm getting worried. If the porsche dealer can't find any faults, is it a good deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 4S strted in 96 (but LHD continental cars may have had a headstart) is it RHD? for that mileage normal UK price is £35k so it is good value... ...for a bloody good reason no history = walk away whatever the excuses (so what if it was imported, you or I would still have kept all the bills, stamps). It will be bloody hard to re-sell as well as you are going to have trot out the same lame excuses it is possible to trace all Porsches via head office (initial sale and spec at least) and I say again that does not look like a 4S - go along and see the car though and see how fishy it seems (then walk away) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherrinR Posted April 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 RHD car....I have already driven it...I will see what the porsche dealer says on Monday...must admit it will break my heart to walk away (which from what you are saying is the sensible thing to do). How often do these type of cars 993 C4 S come up for sale, or even the turbo 993 C4? Thanks alot for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby_simon Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 oh, and by the way, welcome to TSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 euhm....Rod that's hellaofalot of money for a car you don't have the history of. I'm not sure where you are from but mine is just a tad more expensive BUT full Porker history you gotta remember Porsches are valued by one or 2 things 1) Service book and history 2) state (meaning original or been fettled with) a "no" in one of these 2 and you're price plumets down. It might be that the sales person says that's not true, but you'll notice it when you come to sell it, you won't get rid of it and in the end, this cheaper car will cost you ALOT more. I wouldn't go near a porker without a decent history, and ONLY maintained at porker dealers. Reason: I did it once and the porsche inspection luckily saved me from a BIG bill, according to the dealer(non-porsche) nothing was wrong with the car, Porsche inspected it and found a list of 2 A4 pages with BIG faults on the car, it had also been in a VERY big accident. Needless to say I was lucky to get my money back (thanks to my contract I made that dealer sign before handing him the money, and also cause I mentioned 'POLICE' when he didn't want to return it) now 1,5 years later, he's still stuck with that car, even at a lower selling price. I then continued my search for a good 4S and found the mac daddy's of the 4S'es, full offcicial warrenty still on it, full history. Bought it from an official porsche dealer for just a fraction more than what I nearly paid for that other piece of junk. the other thing is that I wouldn't buy a modded porker, the one in your picture clearly is and that means it looses value,.... porsche enthousiast are sometimes weird ppl and they value originality above all... things like a turbo spoiler on a 4S are things that don't mix too well....specially the "S" vents aboce the wheelarches are a nono If I where you I would continue searching for a perfect mint example, there are cars out there that have full history, original state and prolly don't cost too much more than that one. Benefit with the better cars will be that they will hold their value better thus costing you less in the end. no history = RUN as fast as you can, in the opposite direction. also make sure to check this: the sticker in the bonnet (front luggage room bonnet) should match the sticker in the service manual if this is not the case, the car has been in a BAD shunt and wasn't fixed according to porsche rules; meaning it's value is BELOW 0pounds. Good porsches are seldomly sold outside the porsche dealers (the ones here in Belgium outside the dealer all have something funny going on, otherwise dealers are more than happy to place it in their showroom for you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 at the end of the day its a personal choice re. risk not for me and most neutral experts say FSH is a must with cars like these these cars do come up (turbos more common than 4S) - I keep an eye out as it will probably be my next car I was looking for a sub-30k mile 4S and woudl expect to pay high 30s/40 turbos go as low as £40k for highish miles to £50k for mint low milers always 2 or 3 in top marques, ExM etc did you ask about the strange spec? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 there's something about that picture.... looks funny, might be cause of the resizing and all, but are you sure this is even a 993? anyway, 4S only started production in 96, and went on to have a final run of a few cars in 98 I think (main batch was 96 and 97) oh and if you come across a 2S, it should be well cheaper, as the 2WD verion isn't that attractive to most ppl and hence it doesn't hold it's value so well. The 4S is the version to go for if you want the Turbo looks and goodies (brakes and all) but not the bigger expenses of the real turbo I personlly also love the exterior of a 4S more than that of a turbo, with a 4S you can really see the FAT behind, where with a turbo that is kinda hidden by the big spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 also on an import make sure the sticker says C16 which is Porsche code for full UK spec don't agree with Blue one thing though - there are lots of very good Porsche specialists in UK that stock cars as good as an OPC - in fact it won't be long before OPCs refuse to stock 993s I reckon btw - last turbo S I saw for sale was £70k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 [ QUOTE ] but are you sure this is even a 993? [/ QUOTE ] Karel mate - go clean your specs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Adam, regarding the dealers, don't know what the situation in the UK is, therefor i mentioned "belgium" in that post, just cause i know that around here i wouldn't trust the local fiesta-clio-dealer with a porsche on his yard, there's bound to be something wrong with it. aroun here they'll keep selling the car untill it reaches 10 years of age. Why? Well just up till 10 years Porsche still gives a 1year warrenty on the second hand approved porsche. (this is in Belgium) and regarding the glasses What I ment was that in that picture the front looks funny, thats why I said it could also be due to the sizing of the pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 you see a few 993s in OPCs but it is rare these days and Isuspect just due to p/xs front is maybe a bit squashed but its a 993 - do you agree the front spoiler is from a turbo S? ever seen a 4S made to look like a 4S before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Anyone else wonder what a RHD car was doing in Austria?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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