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It is... but at the end of the day even if they dont revoke the policy, they will certainly think twice when the new M3 is delivered n 2 years...

I have had advice just to grit my teeth and cough up, in the long run im sure its the best option...

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Keep us up to date with the costs Woppum, i have my calculator in hand.

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I have been sent a PDF estimate so far listing all the parts and costs. I dont mind posting it if you like, but I don't know how to take all my personal details off. Is there anyway I can do this, or open it with word so I can copy and paste certain bits in?

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I know you were up to about £7k but was that before suspention checks etc?

Ah top gear is on.

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I have been sent a PDF estimate so far listing all the parts and costs. I dont mind posting it if you like, but I don't know how to take all my personal details off. Is there anyway I can do this, or open it with word so I can copy and paste certain bits in?

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Take a screen capture of it and then block the bits out the same as you do in photos. 169144-ok.gif

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I have been sent a PDF estimate so far listing all the parts and costs. I dont mind posting it if you like, but I don't know how to take all my personal details off. Is there anyway I can do this, or open it with word so I can copy and paste certain bits in?

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Take a screen capture of it and then block the bits out the same as you do in photos. 169144-ok.gif

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Ummmmnnn... There are 4 pages.... tongue.gif

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I think the only thing to learn here is you should drive 'very' carefully when going in the wet...

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Although I chuck the MR2 around with gay abandon when the roads are dry, I drive like granny when it's wet (having had a few sideways moments). It is confusing, though, going from the RS to the MR2, and back.

This from someone who grew up with RWD for the first 20 years of my driving career.

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Right Ok. I have worked it out. You simply re-save the PDF in an accessible text format...

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Repair details :

Renew

Front No-Plate

Align Front Fog Lamps

Left Inner Side Member

L/R Seat Console

Remove And Refit

Strip + Retrim L/F Wing For Painting

Includes: R + R Protective Moulding And Repeater Lamp

Strip + Retrim L/F Door For Painting

Includes: R + R Protective Moulding,

Window Channel Moulding, Door Mirror And Outer Door Handle

Strip + Retrim L/R Side Panel For Painting

Includes: R + R Drip Rail Moulding And

Lower Side Window Moulding

Does Not Include: R + R Rear Bumper,

Taillamp And Tailgate Seal

Rear Bumper

Tailgate Gasket

Left Tail Lamp

Chassis Jig

Front Crossmember

Front Panel Includes: R + R Front Bumper, Impact

Dampers, Radiator Air Guide, Headlamps And Bonnet Locks

Remove/Refit Front Bumper Bar Trim

(With Front Bumper Bar Removed)

Water Reservoir

R/F Wheelhouse Cover

L/F Lower Door Pillar Trim

L/F Seat Belt

Replace Part Of LH Door Sill Upper Panel

Includes: Remove/Refit Front Door, Front

Edge Protector, Front Door Sill Cover

Strip And Part Of Carpet

Add/Work Park Distance Control

L/R Wheelhouse Cover

Floor Cover

L/R Side Trim (Rear Seat Removed)

Includes: R + R Sill Cover And Rear Seat Backrest Side Part

Left Front Seat

Rear Seat

L/R Seat Backrest

L/R Seat Belt

Drain/Refill Air Conditioning

Radiator

Condenser Air Condition

Sound Pad X1 R&R / New Parts

Repair

L/F Wheelhouse

R/F Wheelhouse

L/F Door

Left A-Pillar

Floor Panel

Jig Pull N/S Panels Check L/F Fog Lamp Check R/F Fog Lamp

Check Condensor Check L/F CPL Spring Strut

Check R/F CPL Spring Strut Check L/F Wheel Check R/F Wheel

Check Power Steering Check Radiator

Check Axle Carrier Strut Check L/Upper Control Arm

Check And Valet

Check And Road Test

Corr.Protect.Ex To 2 Panels

Prepare And Paint

Left Outer Sill New Part Painting

FRT No Plate BRKT New Part Paint K1R

Front Bumper New Part Paint K1R

L/Side Skirt New Part Paint K1R

L/F Wing Repair Painting <50%

L/F Wheelhouse Surface Paint

R/F Wheelhouse Surface Paint

L/F Door Repair Painting <50%

Left A-Pillar Repair Painting <50%

L/R Side Panel Repair Painting <50%

L/F Wing Moulding Surface Paint Plast.

L/F Outer Handle Surface Paint Plast.

Page 2

L/F Door Moulding Surface Paint Plast.

L/Side Panel MLDG Surface Paint Plast.

Floor Panel Surface Paint

Points Jig Bracket

Machine Polish Polishing

Labour Value £1984.91

Paint and Materials £539.54

Specialist/Other Charges £260.00

Wheel Alignment KDS Specialist 185.00

Reset At Dealers Air Bag 65.00

Acp 10.00

New Parts :£

3250.31

Front Number Plate 7.50

FRT No Plate BRKT 32.77

Front Bumper Cover 2089.37

FRT Bumper Air Grill 27.13

L/F Air Duct 25.28

R/F Air Duct 25.28

L/F Spoiler Corner 98.73

R/F Spoiler Corner 98.73

L/Fog Lamp Cover 2.86

R/Fog Lamp Cover 2.86

L/F W-House Cover 19.55

R/F W-House Cover 19.55

Front Air Baffle 25.28

Fluid Reservoir 25.71

L/Out Window MLDG 13.54

L/B-Pillar/Sill 214.47

L/Inn Side Member 95.32

L/Side Skirt 60.09

L/F Sill Cover 10.02

L/Sill Panel Cover 3.00

L/LWR QTR Panel MLDG 11.66

L/R Seat Console 20.68

Eng Room Protection 118.15

Sound Pad X1 8.50

Washer Bottle 79.69

Lower Level Sensor 19.92

Sundries 94.67

End of New Parts

Sub-Total £6034.76

VAT @ 17.50% £1056.10

Estimate Total £7090.86

Please note this is a visual estimate only, and further damage may be found when the repairs are started.

Should this happen, we will seek your prior approval before commencing any additional work.

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Holy smoke! EEK2.GIF

That list makes it sound like the car is almost written off!! frown.gif

Quick question though, they refer to re-aligning the front fog lamps, IIRC there are no fog lamps on a CSL? confused.gif

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I reckon £5k of the £7K was charged for writing up that list. Bloody Hell! wink.gif

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Holy smoke! EEK2.GIF

That list makes it sound like the car is almost written off!! frown.gif

Quick question though, they refer to re-aligning the front fog lamps, IIRC there are no fog lamps on a CSL? confused.gif

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No, thats no way near a wright off. Its purely cometic. The plastics and the carbon fibre. The suspension, chassis engine etc are all fine. As said, I literally slid in to a hedge at about 10 miles an hour... tongue.gif

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Sorry to hear about your crash mate, but you did all that at just 10mph? Not doubting you, as I obviously wasn't there (and don't want to me flamed by the rest of the board wink.gif), but a 10mph crash into a hedge shouldn't cause that amount of damage imho. Although the £2k labour bill must be hard to swallow frown.gif

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Oh dear'O'dear Wopps, what have you done...... UHOH7.GIF

Still, you are safe so thats's the main thing.

Just listion to your elders abit from now on, we do occasionally have something useful to pass on.

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Any photos of this damage Woppum? Sounds like the garage are taking you for a bit of a ride. Not sure you can do much about it but surely there must be a deal to be struck somewhere with that much work. At least that way you might not have to re-mortgage as much ...

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I don't know why people are surprised at the cost of repair.

This is a specialist, largely carbon fibre comprised, performance car that cost nigh on £60k new.

It can be worth £40k after 18 months, £20k after 4 years, and £5k after 8 years....but it'll still cost what a £60k car costs to repair.

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I don't know why people are surprised at the cost of repair.

This is a specialist, largely carbon fibre comprised, performance car that cost nigh on £60k new.

It can be worth £40k after 18 months, £20k after 4 years, and £5k after 8 years....but it'll still cost what a £60k car costs to repair.

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Not so much the cost mate, but the amount of damage done. Hitting a hedge at 5-10mph shouldn't leave the water bottle hanging off. Hitting a solid tree at that speed shouldn't leave the water bottle hanging off!!!

IIRC the CSL that went off on video on some track (hitting a solid wall at approx 30mph) only have £10k worth of damage done...

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Well I agree that I think the speed would have had to be higher, or the collision be with an immoveable object the size of HMS Invincible.

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I went to the crash site today to have a good look around. The ground was covered with hardened tar right over the pebbles so it was very slippy. As said I went to turn the corner, under steer, which went straight to oversteer.

The water bottle is situated on the left hand side of the front. What happened was a branch, from the bush, pierced the carbon fibre fender and knocked the water bottle half out. The crash was at 10 mph at the most. As said it was like being on ice. It was a slow motion crash and nothing I could do was going to stop it. You have to see it to believe it.

And Pete, I know how wise ye elders are, but I dont think any advise you could have given me could have helped this situation. The best thing I could have done was coast around it about 5 mph.. Its now done and im safe. that's what matters. training is of course on the cards. But then my immortal sense of driving is of course changed too. I hope to get on a track soon so I can exploit and learn the car...

BTW, I was in the Konigziegg garage today talking with the owner. It turnes out a well know racing driver friend of his, plowed his CSL in to a bush and has paralyzed his wife... I dont know whether it was because he was trying to seel me his GT3 or just that he genuinely believed that, but he said he wouldn't wish a CSL on his worst enemy...

I am going to keep it for a bit, but I may choose to change it for something a little less hairy like an RS4.. I love it, but I have been slightly shell shocked...

Of course my mind may change when I gt it back...

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Woppum: DON`T give up on the CSL, mate. You`re just feeling a bit cheesed off with things at the moment, and the car as well, possibly because you feel it`s let you down mate.

The Beemer`s not let you down mate, it`s just down to pure bad luck, which can hit anyone at any time. If you had no grip, you had no grip, and an RS4, or the like, can`t change the laws of physics.

Have a search on the net for some vids, or something, of the CSL being blitzed around the `Ring etc, and it`ll remind you what a fantastic car you`ve got.

Don`t get rid because of some bad luck mate; sh1t happens, as they say................

Take care.

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but he said he wouldn't wish a CSL on his worst enemy...

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Those are the words of a complete idiot. You can't make sweeping statements like that!

One of my two best mates was nearly wiped out when the driver of the GT3 he was in lost control at ~160mph (entry to Schwedenkreuz), but that's no reason to discount the entire GT3 range of cars. It was the driver being an idiot, not the car.

Woppum, I'm sorry you had your accident but you have to keep the car. Had mine out for hours last night, in the rain (Cups too - horror of all horrors! lol ) , and the grin just gets bigger and bigger. Never ever tire of it.

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Elliot, hmm, that name rings a bell.

Not a moderator on BM3W by any chance?

PB&J.

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Dont worry guys I wouldn't sell it straight away. And im sure once Ive had it back for an hour or so I'll take him back with open arms. I didnt mean to say the CSL was a dangerous machine, just thought id pass on the salesman's statements (and as I said he did notice me take an interest in his GT3!!). If my opinion still counts for anything I actually think the CSL is a very easy and predictable car to exploit. I still stick to my guns and say the accident would have happened even if I was in a 116...

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Hehe, I realised they were his words not yours. When I said "You can't make statements like that" I didn't mean YOU - YOU

If there's any CSL doubt in you then pop up to M6 J16 and I'll show you some CSL exploitation that will remove that doubt jump.gif

...and MrMe, well I don't like the 6'er, does that answer your question? wink.gifSMOKE6.GIF

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If there's any CSL doubt in you then pop up to M6 J16 and I'll show you some CSL exploitation that will remove that doubt

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Oooh whereabouts? I could be there in 25 mins from my house. grin.gif169144-ok.gif

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ps - I was a bit older (maybe even wiser wink.gif) before getting my CSL. Worth thinking about?

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indeed, one of the things my Dad taught me about driving was treat roads with rain after a dry spell like it is ice

glad it was only your car and pride that got dented

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