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Short Shifters... good or bad? Which ones?

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This is going to be the next upgrade (and then suspension). But I have been looking around and there seems to be a great variance in price... from the £30 ebay job to the £200 qoute I got from a certain company!

The main 2 I have seen that I think look good are the following;

http://www.dieselgeek.com/Detail.bok?no=274

and

http://www.potn.co.uk/b-and-m-enginetuning_c4535_p1615066.htm

(sorry if I shouldn't be linking to shops!).

Basically, I don't know all that much abotu the difference in quality. What should one look for? Do all short shifters reduce throw in both the vertical and the horizontal plane? Any advice or info is well appreciated. Thanks.

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I assume there is a reason for this response. Have I asked a particularly stupid question that I can find answers for somewhere else? Or are short shifters regarded as a waste of time?

If this isn't the best place to ask does anyone know where I should be looking/asking for advice/info?

thanks.

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I don't think it's a stupid question, if that helps.

No idea about the answer though, I've never seen the point of them before. I had one on an old MKII 16v GTi and didn't even know it until somebody pointed it out when I sold it.

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Well, if I was going to go the route of a short shifter, Dieselgeek would get my money every time. They're a US company who do specialist stuff for VW's, and although I've never used them, they have a good reputation on another forum I visit.

Regarding the movement you asked about:

Q. Does this Sigma Shifter include side to side reduction or do I have to buy that separately?

A. We only sell complete shifters that include front to back AND side to side reduction! Also, we do not sell side to side brackets separately.

So, not to knock your other choice but I'd say Dieselgeek.

ps. The last time I had a short shifter on a car was my old Mk2 Escort. I took it off and stored it somewhere when I changed the gearbox for a 2000E box from a Corsair. I'll still probably have it somewhere if anyone wants it. 169144-ok.gif

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Thanks for the info. The dieselgeek one sure looks like the best value in terms of what you get looking tech and shiny! I've sent them an email asking a few more questions, but I'll probably just order one and see.

Cheers

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I emailed them and they have said that their shifter won't fit a 2002 Passat Sport 130 TDI 6 Speed. It's a 3BG model and I'm a little suprised it won't fit but I have to trust them! What car have you fitted it to? And any ideas of cross compatibility?

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I run the B and M shifter on my corrado G60 this has been fitted for about 3 years now and never had any problems.

I have made my own arm for the gearbox so it gives me 30% side to side and about 60-70% reduction forwards and backwards.

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Hi, many thanks for the info, but one question;

How did you modify the arm to reduce side to side throw?

ta

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If you're running a Mk4 Golf onwards, or any derivative of it, the short shifter fits at the gearbox end, rather than the gearstick end, as they all use cable gear shifts (hence why they're all notchy).

AFAIK, www.eiptuning.com are the only people who do a fully adjustable short shifter, so you can adjust the weighting. Other than that, try www.neuspeed.com for ones which will give you up to 40% reduction in throw.

HTH

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Apparently there is no short shift for a 6 speed gearbox with a push down reverse. I've been emailing round the world looking for a solution but so far have come up with nothing. Mine is a B5.5 Passat (2002) and it's provinng a nightmare.

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Have got the Ripshifter on the MOnaro and comes very highly recommended. £450 very well spent!

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Ah - that's because the engine is fitted longitudinally (front to rear) rather than transversely (side to side) as with the Golf etc. The gear linkage is still cable, but the shifting mechanism is different.

AFAIK, there isn't one available for the Passat (Mrs Mook runs a B5.5), so you're stuck with the standard shift frown.gif

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Exactly Mook. You're on the money. So any short shift is going to have to be fitted (most likely) on the gearbox side. EPIC!

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[ QUOTE ]

If you're running a Mk4 Golf onwards, or any derivative of it, the short shifter fits at the gearbox end, rather than the gearstick end, as they all use cable gear shifts (hence why they're all notchy).

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My corrado is cable and the short shift fits at the gearstick end. 169144-ok.gif

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Well, just to confirm that as strange as it may seem, there is no shifter in the whole world that will fit a 6 speed VW Passat. I have tried HPA, RPI, PG, Neuspeed, DG, etc etc. and they all say the same. Apparently there is a british company developing one but that means waiting... (patience is a virtue I suppose). It seems strange, but sometimes the truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction.

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Ah - that's because the engine is fitted longitudinally (front to rear) rather than transversely (side to side) as with the Golf etc. The gear linkage is still cable, but the shifting mechanism is different.

AFAIK, there isn't one available for the Passat (Mrs Mook runs a B5.5), so you're stuck with the standard shift frown.gif

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I'm afaid you wrong there chap!

Passats run a rod shifter (no cables)

Passat 5 speed the have the selecter rod at the rear of the gearbox and 6 speeds have them on the side.

You wont get a short shift kit for the gearbox end of a passat because there no pivot points to adjust (hence you cant change the travel) Unless the kit fits inside the gearbox (major cost to fit). 169144-ok.gif

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Hi, many thanks for the info, but one question;

How did you modify the arm to reduce side to side throw?

ta

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I change the arm to make the forwards-backards even shorter, The kit gives around a 40% reduction I modified the arm to give to even more reduction forwards-backwards.

I can tell you but there no point as there no pivot points on a passat gearbox.

My passat gearbox (with home made cable conversion with adjustable side throw reduction)

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Are you telling me that the B&M shifter (45141) will fit? I ask only because I have been told by a major dealer of B&M that it won't fit! Or are you saying that it will fit with some modification? I'm really keen on getting this sorted out so I look forward to your help!

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