martininwillerby Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Here you go you lot .......... The first test report on the up and coming Golf GTI 30th Anni ........ AutoExpress ..... Click Here cheers Martininwillerby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmx Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 theres allready been a couple of test drives of the edition 30, this is more a test of the type r and how it compares to the gti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyD Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 What's everyones opinion then? I'm sure the new Type R is a fantastic car but could you live with those looks? I'm not sure I could.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 [ QUOTE ] What's everyones opinion then? I'm sure the new Type R is a fantastic car but could you live with those looks? I'm not sure I could.... [/ QUOTE ] That Type R is FUgly (fu$king ugly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shao_khan Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 I think the main difference is one is very likely to be a very quick and very reliable car..... I dont think the Civic looks to bad, great engines - but I found them a little too much like hard work for everyday driving, always felt slow to me when you werent caning it, only felt like it was pulling once you hit 8k rpm. Golf on the other hand the engines (to me) feels like it has plenty pull all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 I really like the look of the CTR but really don't think I could live with having to rev it hard to make swift progress all the time. It's probably a good fun weekend car but not a daily mile eater. Perhaps Honda will have addressed this in the new model. I also understand that it has a huge appetite for oil? This aside, I reckon it will be a brilliant car and very successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HA54SYM Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 I was thinking of getting a new R before we orderded the ED30. I do like the looks, and the inside is very very nice compared to many new cars about. The level of equipment for the GT version is also excellent and at £18600 OTR is very good value IMO. They have given it more torqe low down by changing the CAM profile but its still the same engine as before, as quick as the GOLF 0-60 and more or less top end. I still do think that the Golf is a better and more easy to live with day to day car, but I'm sure the Type R will sell let hot cakes. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 If you're in the market for a sporty 3-door, then I can see that the Honda is very attractive and very good value. However, the Golf GTI, especially 5-dr, is by far the best all-rounder IMO. Respect to Honda though . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 [ QUOTE ] I think the main difference is one is very likely to be a very quick and very reliable car..... [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 The main problems i have with the new civic is that i thought it looked good in photos but after it was released out on the road the proportions look all wrong to me, also it has worse rear visability than the mk5 Golf and thats bad enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1MAC Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 [ QUOTE ] I really like the look of the CTR but really don't think I could live with having to rev it hard to make swift progress all the time. It's probably a good fun weekend car but not a daily mile eater. Perhaps Honda will have addressed this in the new model. I also understand that it has a huge appetite for oil? This aside, I reckon it will be a brilliant car and very successful [/ QUOTE ] The oil thing isn't universal - apparently one or two do but mine basically didn't use any apart from what the filter soaks up after a service (across 50k of mixed driving & reasonable but not excessive use of the more entertaining part of the rev range). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 I wait and see if the refinement is better this time round and they don't make it have gearing that makes it higher RPM than even a mk1 golf GTI on the motorways. iirc it was less than 20mph/1000rpm in the last type R i drove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1MAC Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 It was around 20 on the last one (and for no good reason since 6th didn't give you any go - could have been used as a cruising gear which would have helped matters a little) and the gearing on this one is even shorter, although no indication as to quite how much lower. As I realised some time ago when details of the new one first started coming out, the end result is no more power and no attempt to reduce weight to compensate for the changes that rivals such as Golf, Focus et al have made in the last couple of years - it's about 60-70kg more than previous gen. Along with other factors such as looks, suspension (and for me personally one or two other things) I think the upshot is that this version might struggle to sell - call it a Mk3/4 GTI equivalent. I would imagine that a decent number of Civic buyers are now in GTIs & STs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hmmm - that makes cruising at 80mph a bit noisey perhaps at 4000 RPM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexM Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Is the new Type R slower than the old model, looks marginally slower to me. The Golf is quicker in 0-60 and top end speed. Think i will have to join the queue now and get mine remapped as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 From what I've read, I reckon the standard GTI could be a better power delivery for every day road use as the edition 30 needs to be revved harder to explore the extra power. I particularly like the ability that the standard gti has to make swift progress without having to constantly screw the engine hard. I'm not doubting that the Edition30 is a faster car when driven hard though but for every day driving I prefer to have a stronger turbo boost from a lower rev range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1MAC Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Hmmm - that makes cruising at 80mph a bit noisey perhaps at 4000 RPM [/ QUOTE ] Loud stereo is the answer Hence why so many Civic drivers cruise round with music at 100dB - they forget to turn it down (OR THEY'RE DEAF). I have to confess I did do a bit of this myself sometimes and you have to conciously remember to turn it down, especially in summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 [ QUOTE ] From what I've read, I reckon the standard GTI could be a better power delivery for every day road use as the edition 30 needs to be revved harder to explore the extra power. I particularly like the ability that the standard gti has to make swift progress without having to constantly screw the engine hard. I'm not doubting that the Edition30 is a faster car when driven hard though but for every day driving I prefer to have a stronger turbo boost from a lower rev range. [/ QUOTE ] ....Interesting and good point . I guess it makes my Revo Stage1 244 bhp package more desirable than an Ed30 regarding power delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowman Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Hmmm - that makes cruising at 80mph a bit noisey perhaps at 4000 RPM [/ QUOTE ] That's what my Puma was in 5th gear (no 6th gear) and I'm enjoying the change now that I can effortlessly cruise along the motorway at sensible revs. As we keep saying, the GTI does have most of the bases covered...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyadam Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Here you go you lot .......... The first test report on the up and coming Golf GTI 30th Anni ........ AutoExpress ..... Click Here cheers Martininwillerby [/ QUOTE ] Guys not sure if its to early for me or what but on these tests did they actually drive vehicles or just have them side by side with there test sheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HA54SYM Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 AE have not tested them together, they havn't even driven the R yet! Typical AE. As for the 30th, I don't think the extra 30 bhp will make much difference to low down power, and you would hardyl notice any difference, its not like the VTEC units where to get torque you need high revs. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble68 Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Well it is AutoExpress the "We were first" - which you'd then query, and find it untrue. I also noticed what looks like a Static review of the Civic in CAR, which wasn't much use either since it does exactly explain how it drives. As a previous Civic owner I'll be at least interested as to how this new one does. I'm still VERY unsure on the looks, but the noise never used to bother me too much, and as said the GT Pack brings equipment levels to comparable. Saying all that I'm getting VERY lazy with a lack of need to change gear in town with DSG. Would a manual be something I could live with again??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 [ QUOTE ] I think the upshot is that this version might struggle to sell - call it a Mk3/4 GTI equivalent. I would imagine that a decent number of Civic buyers are now in GTIs & STs. [/ QUOTE ] I Think this is so true. The old civc held the crown because A: it was cheap and B: It didn't have too much in the way of competition (other than a 172 which is quite a bit smaller) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble68 Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 I'd agree that this will be considered this way. If you talk to people in Honda's they already thought the last Civic Type R was a bloater in itself, because of course the 1st Civic Type R - EK9 was a fair bit lighter again and used a 1.6 which still managed similar performance. I'm not sure of this myself though having only owned the last Civic Type R, which I thought was pretty good too be honest, which is why I'm waiting to read about/possibly try out the new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Attractive price Attractive engineering Attractive styling NOT! IMHO the new civic is one of the worst looking hatches OTR It's "arse end" looks worse than Oprah's pre "fat farm" I thought that they would have to be pretty radical with the "R" to make it look anywhere near acceptable, and if anything they appear to have gone completely the other way, and try and "soften" it's appeal...........total Oh well on the bright side can safely put a cross through "I want 1" where that is concerned.......... Am I going to bin the "R32" and buy a new S3? Stealer has a nice black one available..........stick or twist? Now that is a tough call........... What do you think peeps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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