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Well, after boasting that my car was two years old and no signs of corrosion on the Monza II's, I spotted this after a quick wash today. A little worm sportifs2.gif

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Took it down to the dealer who took one look and said, no problem we will order a new one, should be here next Tuesday 169144-ok.gif

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In spite of the fact that my dealer has been so cooperative over all my many mods, he and VW UK are saying that they can't replace my failed alloys simply because they have been separated from the original car. This is a technicality and I expect I could contest it. At the moment I'm unsure whether it's worthwhile contesting it and potentially spoiling my excellent relationship with my VW dealer, especially as he's currently going way beyond what he should re new tyres. I'm going to consult my LegalEagle again and see if there's a way of polite persuasion.

I guess that if the Monzas were black (as Euro Ed30) the white sperm, I mean worm, would be much more obvious. Is it something which only the English put on their roads!?

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I've seen brand new genuine Monza's for sale £279 each IIRC. Not cheap but certainly an option as opposed to refurbing I guess. A full sized spare could be useful anyway 169144-ok.gif

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The main problem that I see is what happens after the 3 year warranty is up. At that stage you have no hope of getting a replacement free of charge and potentially face a huge bill for a set of wheels. Probably best if your wheels do go bad during the warranty and you get replacements because otherwise you pass the 3 years and you have a timebomb on your hands waiting to go off and cost a fortune.

Robin... I would keep pressure on your dealer no matter how good a relationship you have. I did see this splitting from the original car as a potential problem which always put me off buying a secondhand set and decided to go down the replica route. All 4 wheels for not much more than one Monza made it a bit of a no brainer to me and therefore very cheap to replace should damage occur. Is there no possibility of Oli chasing the place he bought his car from altho I guess that is further complicated by the fact that he longer has his GTI.

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I also wouldn't be afraid of 'rocking the boat'.If BBS cannot get the lacquer to stick to the metal then I would certainly have doubts as to the long term success a refurb company could achieve. Th problem may be on just one wheel at the moment but what happens after another winter and the other 3 go spermy confused.gif At least if you have a fight getting this single wheel done you're pretty much covered for the other 3. Four new Monza's is over £1100 at the very least. 169144-ok.gif

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Oli has already pointed out that if he still had his car we could pop my wheels back on and visit his dealer Euroimports.

Refurb would cost around £40 a wheel I'm told. Another alternative is repaint the 18s to same finish as the 17s....Or even black!......................Pink??

I believe that I'll get more with honey than vinegar so I'm not going in with guns blazing. As I have said, I'll consult my LegalEagle next week.

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Yes, but it's not worth spending that kind of money just to solve a cosmetic lacquer failure. Especially when the white sperms might reappear next Winter!

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Totally agree Red, was just letting TT know that they can be had for less... 169144-ok.gif

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doubt you could get a refurb for £40 red, because its not a simple refurb (diamond coated, polishing etc) you will find closer to £80 more realistic. Dealer price for the wheel if i recall correctly it was around £380 but one of the guys off here offered me a wheel for £260 delivered. PM if you want the details. My neigbour had one of his wheels refurbed and althought the finish was superb, you could see a clear difference between the finishes. The paint was slightly different on the grey sections, and the shine on the face of the wheel was slightly dull.

I have one wheel on mine which has 2 spots on the outer edge which my dealer said would need to get a lot worse before they would consider a replacement. Since the mrs curbed this wheel, its not been such an issue. If the section where its been curbed begins to corrode i think i will bite the bullet at new tyre time and stick a new wheel on, refurb the old one and sell it on ebay.

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a previous reply of mine earlier this month may help Robin if he goes down the reberb route.

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Autocar this week say they have had 3 of theres 18s referbed at different times due to curb meeting wheel and recomend

www.spitandpolish.co.uk

or

www.wickedwheels.co.uk

"took a few hours and about £60 a time"

They listed £175 as the cost of the 3 visits for the 3 wheel in total.

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I guess that if the Monzas were black (as Euro Ed30) the white sperm, I mean worm, would be much more obvious. Is it something which only the English put on their roads!?

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It won't effect the black as there painted, its a problem with lac sticking to metal and the seal between the two. Its a very common problem with the cut/polished-->lac finished wheels of all makes.

Each time i have owned this type of finshed wheel its drove me nuts SAUER0421.GIF

British road salt is different to other places in the world.

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Similar vein, anybody got rotten centre caps??

All mine are riddled with white rot, just noticed, so its a new development.

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Similar vein, anybody got rotten centre caps??

All mine are riddled with white rot, just noticed, so its a new development.

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yep all mine are the same, might get dealer to sort them service time but then again they will prob prise it out with a screwdriver and damage the wheel

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Thanks, Geoff 169144-ok.gif.

If I go the refurb route (more likely), I'll wait and do all four wheels as a set so as to achieve visually consistency. I would be very tempted just to paint and not diamond cut plus lacquer.

WTF is it with British salt!!? My centre caps have the same problem. They are plastic for goodness sake!

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OK let's just face the facts here the BBS Monzas are a diamond cut polished lacquered wheel - a finish that is used on other wheels such as AMG and 19" BMW M3 wheels.

This finish is really not suitable for the conditions expeienced on UK roads and you could argue not fit for purpose on any roads. The problem being that inevitably the lacquer barrier is penetrated by say a stray stone chip or say the edge of a wheel tightening socket when say changing a wheel or even the centre cap scratching the lacquer when it is removed say at the dealers. As soon as the lacquer barrier is penetrated the dreaded white worms will get hold and the wheel will deteriorate especially in winter as salt+moisture accelerates the alloy oxidisation (the white marks).

Refurbing a wheel of this finish requires special refurb techniques and wheel refurbers such as Pristine in Milton Keynes and Lepsons can refurb the wheel but you will still have the basic design problem with the wheel meaning as soon as the lacquer is penetrated the whole problem starts again.

Robin's wheels have clearly failed within the manufacturers warranty period and VW do not really have a leg to stand on - I would concur with your honey approach and then if that does not work then just take them to the small claims court - they will cave in pretty quickly. I had a similar problem with my CSL wheels and BMW UK very quickly gave me two new CSL wheels.

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British road salt is different to other places in the world.

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Didn't realise this EEK2.GIF- how is it different?

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Cannot remember exactly but i did watch a program about it a few years back, (sad i know) they talked about other countries at the time including some of the interesting ways Sweden and a few others were coming up with new ways of combated ice.

scillyisles

Well said.

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So far the milky worms have left my wheels alone, although from T_T's post it looks like they have started to invade Hampshire...

I had a stone chip penetrate the lacquer on one wheel many months back which I used some touch-in lacquer on in an attempt to reseal it. Again, so far so good but it seems only a matter of time before the "rot" will start - either on this wheel or somewhere else.

If I get any problems in the warranty period and I can get replacements then fair enough, but out of warranty?...I have to say that, although I love the 18" Monza design, if they all start rotting out of warranty then I will probably look to replace with a different type of wheel. One that is hopefully more durable.

Those ED30 wheels are starting to grow on me!

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Anyone selling secondhand 18" Monzas is going to have a difficult task if propspective buyers read this thread. Effectively you are buying wheels with potentially no warranty no matter what age of a car they come from. From VW point of view they have no proof the wheels come from the car a person says they do and therefore can easily reject a claim. However, is there any kind of date stamp on the wheels to show when they were manufactured. This could show their age and therefore whether they are in warranty or not and prove that VW must accept a warranty claim no matter which car they come from. Only issue then could be whether the wheels came from an import car or not, a shorter warranty could be the issue here or ultimately a different VW branch being responsible for the warranty claim.

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why not just take the car to another dealer? I don't see how they could check that the 18" were not on the car from new?

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....This is going to be interesting! I love a challenge and Oli has given me all the paperwork I need to be able to establish some indisputable facts, especially armed with photos of the wheel's stamps. Worth a go imo.

As others have pointed out, even if one succeeds in replacement, the basic design fault is still there and the white worms can appear at any time.

I'm currently getting quoted about £65 a wheel to either restore or repaint and finish any colour. So far, every wheel specialist I speak to thinks that a strip and repaint finish will last much longer than the diamond-cut+lacqueur restoration.

I like the Monza design so much and feel that it's so much a part of the Mk5 GTI identity that I prefer not to change alloys to another design.

Dave - What finish are the Monza replicas?

Ed30 guys - Your chance to get black Monzas!

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why not just take the car to another dealer? I don't see how they could check that the 18" were not on the car from new?

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Surely, using the VIN #, the dealer could bring up the PR numbers listing amongst other things the wheels fitted at the factory ?

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I've got Oli's original car's VIN # but I don't think that VW's Monzas are invidually stamped to be attributable to a particular vehicle - I need to investigate.

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