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Corroded Monza 18s....

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I can't see that the wheels have stamps to attribute them to a particular car but it is easy for a dealer to look up and see what options you added to your car and they could easily find out that you did not spec the 18s originally. I still feel the wheels have date stamps or at least serial codes which will date identify them which VW would then find very hard to argue against as they will clearly be within warranty.

Robin I would assume my replica wheels are a painted finish. They have the dark inners and a polished type face. I have not compared them side to side with the original item but they look pretty good to me and should not suffer the corrosion fate. Also cheap to replace should I kerb one. Think they worked out at about a third of the cost of the original item and the weight difference with my original 17s was minimal. I am so far delighted with them and know I made the right choice. The one important rule with replicas or I guess any wheel is to see them before you buy, then you can be sure of the quality.

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It can't be too difficult to argue that the wheels are still under warranty, there are 2 different product codes for the Monza II due to a slight change for MY06. Therefore from that you would be able to prove the age is less than 2 years if nothing else.

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I've got Oli's original car's VIN # but I don't think that VW's Monzas are invidually stamped to be attributable to a particular vehicle - I need to investigate.

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Contrary to logic, the wheels are only under warranty via the seller - In my case this is Oli and his VW supplier Euroimports. My Monzas might, subject to inspection and circumstances, only be refurbished/replaced under warranty by VW UK if originally purchased via one of their VW dealers rather than an independent such as Euroimports.

Obviously I don't want to be banging on Oli's door - He's a family business who sold me the wheels in good faith. Euroimports will probably chase back to VW Germany if I pressurise them.

In fact even if VW UK had turned around and said "No problem, sir", would I want them refurbed/replaced just to fail again next winter? The failure shouldn't occur but it's only minor cosmetic.

Interestingly, if enough GTI owners complained to the DVLA or BOSA, we could possibly get a product recall!! But, even then, the problem could happen all over again! It doesn't have to be a safety issue to initiate a recall.

Out of both interest and out of principle, I'm going to pursue this as far as I can but my bottom line is that I'll wait for sufficient cosmetic failure to occur before then having all my Monza 18s professionally stripped and repainted without the fancy diamond-cut 'n lacqueur.

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Interestingly, if enough GTI owners complained to the DVLA or BOSA, we could possibly get a product recall!! But, even then, the problem could happen all over again! It doesn't have to be a safety issue to initiate a recall.

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That's what it needs...I may well still have my GTI in 5 years time. It will be well out of warranty and probably need 4 new Monza's to keep it looking spangly. That's potentially a £1000 bill awaiting me! Now if it was the main bodywork of the car corroding or cylinder bore wear for example, you probably would have thought twice about even buying a GTI in the first place. This is obviously a different problem but it still has the same / similar cost association. Some adverse publicity in the motoring press would help with VW's attitude no end. I'm sure if five of the leading motoring mags all got emails of concern / complaint, VW may take a more concerned approach smirk.gif

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My problem is that my Monzas weren't supplied originally with my car. Today Euroimports have been telling me to keep chasing VW UK but they (Euroimports) are just the same - They refuse to take up the case themselves although they supplied the car and acknowledge Oli's car history. They say that the warranty is with VW UK and not themselves.

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..Dave - What finish are the Monza replicas?

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RR - Some replicas are painted and some are diamond cut. You can also get 19" Monza replicas now shocked.gif -

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If those replicas are diamond-cut then surely they'll be lacqueured and prone to the same white worm corrosion.

Good idea to offer 19s though they might look too big.

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why not just take the car to another dealer? I don't see how they could check that the 18" were not on the car from new?

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Surely, using the VIN #, the dealer could bring up the PR numbers listing amongst other things the wheels fitted at the factory ?

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V unlikely they'd do this. I used to work in the motor trade, main dealer various franchises (but not vw). I can't imagine why they would check - the assumption would be that they were on the car from new unless you told them otherwise.

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Not sure I agree that they wouldn't check things out. They would be a bit suspicious as to why you suddenly chose to use a different dealer for the wheel issue when all servicing and warranty issues have been dealt with by the supplying dealer, and also the new dealer is likely to be further away from you which again could potentially rise suspicions.

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I agree with Dave_K. Anyway, such chicanerie is out of the question now because my details are known by both my VW dealer and VW UK.

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Is it not time for some 'joined up' action on this? Seems like just about everyone with Monza 18's will be caught at some stage?

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For those who have been supplied their Monza 18s on their original GTI and they have subsequently corroded NOT as a drect result of kerb damage, there isn't a problem getting VW to refurb/replace following their agent's inspection. My problem comes about because my 18s came from another GTI (Oli's) and is further complicated by it being stolen and no longer in his possession.

Also, it was an import from Euroimports and they will only refer me to VW UK.

I haven't had time to consult my LegalEagle yet this week.

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Trouble is Robin from what I am reading they will try and use any excuse to wriggle out of it - feckers

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Robin, if all else fails, I would be tempted to have the sprayed in the silver paint as per the concept car. It will be thus easier to repair in future AND you will not have any corroding issues... but of course you may loose out on the looks department. But at least you could say you have a unique set of wheels that are true to the concept car.

Having them refured in that mannor would not cost as much too.

Worth a passing thought mate.

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I suppose you could still have the grey inner bits and the outer painted silver as opposed to diamond cut finish. That would help maintain some of the OEM look I guess

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oxfordlad - That's exactly what I've already decided is my bottom line as I posted earlier. I have already asked wheel specialists and they said that it would cost me the same to strip and repaint all one colour (such as matching the silver Monza 17s) as it would cost to refurb diamond-cut and lacqueur. Okay, the silver 18s wouldn't look quite as stylish as the OEM but they would be much more practical. I could even have them painted black like the European Ed30 if I wanted. I would also be retaining the unique BBS hollow-air construction.

Has anyone posted any pics of the black Monzas?

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Ahh, sorry I had not read all the pages, but it does look like a good option for you.

In the UKMKIVs forums a while back people were having the same issues with the BBS RCs on the anniversary. I know someone that had them sprayed in a slightly greyer silver and I have to say it looked one of a kind - awesome! slighler duller than the pure silver but it really made the car. He also had what he said was a larger flake in the metallic which made it sparkle more or something crazy - perhaps he was fed a line! lol

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....Hey! That sounds awesome! In every cloud there is a silver lining! 169144-ok.gif

Much as I like other BBS designs such as the classic CH and the AR1s etc, the Monza design is exceptional, very distinctive, and identifies the Mk5 GTI imo.

I've been looking back through the threads in this forum and this corrosion issue has been running for a loooooong time! Most people have reported getting refurbed under warranty.

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Has anyone posted any pics of the black Monzas?

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Just for you Robin - taken at The Geneva motor show last week 169144-ok.gif

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....Thanks, Smitten 169144-ok.gif Much appreciated beerchug.gif.

Each to their own, but what was your overall impression of these black Monzas on a red car? [apart from saying that they would look great on red but not on pink! grin.gif]

Methinks that black would loudly show up every single nick and chip and kerb contact.

I wonder why they aren't available on the Ed30 in the UK.

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I remember who sprayed the wheels, I looked through their old pics they posted back in 2005 but they no longer work, so I have sent a PM to him.

Any details I get I will pass onto you Red... because I am nice like that you see!

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robin, I really do not think you should spray them all silver. Its the darker finish that adds to the meaner sportier look of the 18s. When I changed from 17s to 18s it was that darker look that really set the car off. Would be quite easy I would have thought to spray to look something like the original 18s with the darker inserts. Just choose a refurb company well as in my experiences refurb wheels do not last as well as the original items.

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Anthracite would look great I reckon (as apposed to jet black)

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