VW Racing's Quaife Diff.... - Page 2

RedRobin · 03-10-2008, 08:16 PM

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I'm going to be having a drive in a friend's modded S3 soon and it'll be interesting to compare the quattro back-to-back and also hear his impressions of mine.

Comparing the Quaife diff with the R32 'AWD', I find the Quaife'd FWD more lively and fun without getting out of shape.

shark_90 · 05-10-2008, 08:03 AM

If you're going to test a quattro, please test a real one without a stupid clutch in the way spoiling all the fun.

RedRobin · 05-10-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by shark_90

If you're going to test a quattro, please test a real one without a stupid clutch in the way spoiling all the fun.

....Are you referring to the S-tronic version? Unfortunately the version I'll be driving is an old fashioned manual - Pity, because the comparison would be more direct and I'm also interested how the S-tronic compares with DSG.

There's more than one way to have fun, Ben

Cagey · 05-10-2008, 09:16 AM

I think he's referring to the Haldex 4wd system actually Robin, which uses a multi-plate clutch to send power across the axles.

shark_90 · 05-10-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cagey

I think he's referring to the Haldex 4wd system actually Robin, which uses a multi-plate clutch to send power across the axles.

Exactly what I was referring to! It wasn't a slur on the DSG box at all.

burble · 05-10-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cagey

I think he's referring to the Haldex 4wd system

Haldex != Quattro, so that point is pretty much invalid.

shark_90 · 05-10-2008, 09:44 AM

Haldex isn't proper quattro. Argue all you like, it just isn't.

RedRobin · 05-10-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shark_90

Exactly what I was referring to! It wasn't a slur on the DSG box at all.

....Ah, sorry - I thought you were - Some people really dislike DSG/S-tronic but each to their own and I don't have a problem with someone's different opinion.

I'm now a bit confused - Are there Haldex transmission systems which Audi call quattro in some models? So that there is more than one version of quattro?

True quattro, Haldex, and LSD (on FWD), make interesting comparisons. So far, Haldex is my least favourite of the three as it feels heavier and more remote.

I experienced my Quaife diff for the first time in the wet yesterday - Awesome! It may as well have been dry! It transforms FWD.

The Mk6 GTI has an electronic LSD but I think I prefer the fit-n-forget mechanical Quaife which reacts directly physically rather than an ESP-led system. At least VW are acknowledging that one is needed!

shark_90 · 05-10-2008, 10:41 AM

Haldex is in the TT and A3 applications. Torsen is in anything up from that. Both are labelled "quattro" and Audi's marketing insists that a TT has "permanent" 4wd, however it is more accurately described as "permanently available."

Haldex is also used in VW models that share the same platforms and models of a similar size. R32, Golf TDi 4mo, Tiguan (sp?) use Haldex, Passat and Phaeton use Torsen.

I'll happily admit (after driving a new S3) that Haldex is getting better, but proper 4wd it isn't.

RedRobin · 05-10-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by shark_90

Haldex is in the TT and A3 applications. Torsen is in anything up from that. Both are labelled "quattro" and Audi's marketing insists that a TT has "permanent" 4wd, however it is more accurately described as "permanently available."

Haldex is also used in VW models that share the same platforms and models of a similar size. R32, Golf TDi 4mo, Tiguan (sp?) use Haldex, Passat and Phaeton use Torsen.

I'll happily admit (after driving a new S3) that Haldex is getting better, but proper 4wd it isn't.

....Thanks for that explanation, Ben - Much appreciated

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It leaves me thinking that Audi are totally wrong to use the title "quattro" for what is Haldex "permanently available". If I bought an Audi which was stated by them to have "quattro" and it was anything less than the real thing, I would be consulting solicitors!

03-10-2008, 08:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
RedRobin Lamborghini Gallardo Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: BIALI Motorsport Posts: 21,643	.... I'm going to be having a drive in a friend's modded S3 soon and it'll be interesting to compare the quattro back-to-back and also hear his impressions of mine. Comparing the Quaife diff with the R32 'AWD', I find the Quaife'd FWD more lively and fun without getting out of shape. __________________ *PLEASE CHECK OUT MY MUSIC: HERE ON MYSPACE* Still grinning about my Throbbin' Red VeeDub Mk5 GTI DSG - Now Revo'd

05-10-2008, 08:03 AM	#12 (permalink)
shark_90 Audi R8 Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,731	If you're going to test a quattro, please test a real one without a stupid clutch in the way spoiling all the fun. __________________ My 18 cylinder garage: 1985 Audi 90 quattro - Project quattro 1994 Audi S2 Avant - Project track monster 1998 Suzuki Bandit 600 S - Two wheeled fun 2003 Bora Highline TDi - Because someone's got to

05-10-2008, 09:44 AM	#17 (permalink)
shark_90 Audi R8 Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,731	Haldex isn't proper quattro. Argue all you like, it just isn't. __________________ My 18 cylinder garage: 1985 Audi 90 quattro - Project quattro 1994 Audi S2 Avant - Project track monster 1998 Suzuki Bandit 600 S - Two wheeled fun 2003 Bora Highline TDi - Because someone's got to

05-10-2008, 10:41 AM	#19 (permalink)
shark_90 Audi R8 Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,731	Haldex is in the TT and A3 applications. Torsen is in anything up from that. Both are labelled "quattro" and Audi's marketing insists that a TT has "permanent" 4wd, however it is more accurately described as "permanently available." Haldex is also used in VW models that share the same platforms and models of a similar size. R32, Golf TDi 4mo, Tiguan (sp?) use Haldex, Passat and Phaeton use Torsen. I'll happily admit (after driving a new S3) that Haldex is getting better, but proper 4wd it isn't. __________________ My 18 cylinder garage: 1985 Audi 90 quattro - Project quattro 1994 Audi S2 Avant - Project track monster 1998 Suzuki Bandit 600 S - Two wheeled fun 2003 Bora Highline TDi - Because someone's got to

05-10-2008, 09:16 AM	#14 (permalink)
Cagey Non-descript... Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SoNo Posts: 526	I think he's referring to the Haldex 4wd system actually Robin, which uses a multi-plate clutch to send power across the axles.