Snail Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Anyone see it? I reckon she wasn't driving that TT DSG correctly, and that how it got beaten by that new nissan 350z Was supprised how close the BMW Z4 and boxster were around the track, especially supprised when Tiff seemed to prefer the handling of the BMW. Id also be interested to see that car stunt show thing they were talking about, where was it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcat Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 I only saw the bloody bit about the TT DSG v 350Z, missed the rest. Putting the old mans head again, is'nt timing runs around a race track a bit pointless ! This information can't be translated into everyday road use Surely better to do timed acceleration from say 40 to 80mph 50 to 90mph and so on - y'know, like everyday use ! You never know, it might be a much different story I feel a quick note to sticky Vicky coming on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Snail, The stunt show was at Eurodisney. Looked pretty cool! I reckon you're right about the way she was driving the TT. Interesting how they liked the interior on the RX8 and Top Gear slated it on Sunday. Looked like your typical Jap cheap plastic to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hants_Cruiser_UK Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 I have seen the stunt show at Disneyland Paris aka Euro Disney and it's the best thing there, apart from the Rocking Roller Coaster The rest of the Park is a filthy hole and Disney should pay a visit to see how they are being represented over there I was surprised too that the TT was beaten by the Nissan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 [ QUOTE ] Euro Disney [/ QUOTE ] Its DisneyLand Paris, fools! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 I reckon the Nissan may have been faster in the hands of a racing driver, but watching it there was no doubt the TT was easier to control, that Nissan was on the edge of a big off the whole way round! Put it this way, in the hands of normal enthusiastic drivers I reckon the TT would be quicker. Also, the TT DSG has launch control which is pretty impressive apparently. Well it didn't look to me like Vikki used it (perhapsd she wasn't made aware of it). Don't think it'd have won the TT the race, but would have narrowed the gap. Oh, and at least she's stopped squealing quite so much when she gets excited! Noticed a couple of obvious digs at Top Gear too, like Tiff making the point that they were on "a proper race track, not a big airfield with loads of room to spin". Bit of a dig at the Top Gear track I thought, and the Stigs occasional piroetes perhaps...? There was another obvious Top Gear dig too, but forget what it was now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snez22 Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 they are just jealous that they get a 20 minute show and top gear get a whole hour to lark around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Oh yeah, I remember the other dig, although it might have been coincidendal. On Top Gear Jeremy Clarkson was banging on about the performance from a 1.3 litre engine, then on Fifth Gear Tiff was saying "ignore people who know nothing about engines spouting on about it being a 1.3 litre, because of the different engine type (****el) it is actually akin to a 2.5-3.0 engine". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Well, Mazda says it's 1.3, and they should know I guess, since they bloody made it... And I'd have a 3.2 DSG TT over a Mazda any day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobrot Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 From every review I have read of the 350z it is a TT beater, look at the 0-60, sure you lose the 4WD but there are plenty of rear wheel drive cars that out handle TT's. I did see my first 350z on the motorway the other day and was dissapointed the pictures in magazines flatter it the back end looks cheap and should make more of the twin exausts admittedy though is was in a orange colour. There are too many cars now that either keep up (R type) or are faster (350z) than the TT, Audi should have made the DSG faster it really should be up there with a Scooby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagoo Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 [ QUOTE ] Well, Mazda says it's 1.3, and they should know I guess, since they bloody made it... And I'd have a 3.2 DSG TT over a Mazda any day... [/ QUOTE ] it was entered in a competition ( the design that is ) and it was deemed to fall into the 2.5 - 3.0l category!! Wonder what is is in the eyes of the DVLA as it would reduce your road fund licenece quite a bit!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danksy Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 [ QUOTE ] Also, the TT DSG has launch control which is pretty impressive apparently. Well it didn't look to me like Vikki used it (perhapsd she wasn't made aware of it). [/ QUOTE ] AFAIK the launch control didn't make it to production cars! . With respect to the 1.3l and DVLA, i guess it would fall under the category of "cars with an unrecognised cylinder capacity" as it would do from a company car taxation point of view. It is defo a 1.3L, but as discussed on here , ****el engines are much more efficient than the traditional piston/cyclinder engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Why do people automatically assume 4 wheel drive *MUST* be faster than rear wheel? You think it makes transition time round a bend faster? Course it bloody doesn't. Ok it might give advantage on exit to a corner depending on the driver - and for your average driver its *safer* but to automatically assumes its faster by default is just wrong. 4 wheel drive does not overcome the laws of physics I am a very great fan of Nissan Motosport products - from the 200sx through the Skylines...They make sweet handling cars, and they make them *very* well. I have had 3 200sx's - and how many warranty claims did I have? 2 across all of them and both for the same thing - broken handle on the seat forward. I saw a fair few 350's in Australia and they are one sweet looking motor although the darker colours look better. Saw a few RX8s too, nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 [ QUOTE ] AFAIK the launch control didn't make it to production cars! [/ QUOTE ] i think it did.... its been reviewd in a Evo mag and been talked about on the TT forum Riz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gren Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Not surpised it was faster than the TT. 10% more power as well as, I would imagine, lighter. No launch control used and why didn't VBH use the sport mode instead of the paddles? Thing is, it's the Tiffany Dell show and he doesn't like FWD/4WD and if a car doesn't hang its arse out at every corner ('cos that's dead important on your daily commute) it's crap. Still if fastest car on the track was what they were looking for they probably found the right car. Only one element to a car and most TTs and 350Zs will never go near a track in their lives. Biased, me? Yes. But then again I'm right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 [ QUOTE ] With respect to the 1.3l and DVLA, i guess it would fall under the category of "cars with an unrecognised cylinder capacity" as it would do from a company car taxation point of view. [/ QUOTE ] Engine size has absolutely no relevence to company car tax these days, its worked on a percentage of the list price of car and the percentage is based on the cars emissions to penalise drivers of higher emission cars. Unfortunately the RX8 is quite bad in this respect I believe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 [ QUOTE ] Why do people automatically assume 4 wheel drive *MUST* be faster than rear wheel? You think it makes transition time round a bend faster? Course it bloody doesn't. Ok it might give advantage on exit to a corner depending on the driver - and for your average driver its *safer* but to automatically assumes its faster by default is just wrong. 4 wheel drive does not overcome the laws of physics [/ QUOTE ] 4 wheel drive won't get any more steady state lateral grip, what it does do is allow you to get the power down coming out of a bend much harder and much earlier particularly in slippery conditions. On a dry track however the advantage is as you say negligible. I certainly wasn't surprised to see the 350Z win, however in the wet it may have been a different story (witness the S4 and RS6 demolishing all comers on Top Gear on a wet track). Also as has been stated in the real world with real drivers I doubt the 350Z would see which way the TT DSG went! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danksy Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] With respect to the 1.3l and DVLA, i guess it would fall under the category of "cars with an unrecognised cylinder capacity" as it would do from a company car taxation point of view. [/ QUOTE ] Engine size has absolutely no relevence to company car tax these days, its worked on a percentage of the list price of car and the percentage is based on the cars emissions to penalise drivers of higher emission cars. Unfortunately the RX8 is quite bad in this respect I believe... [/ QUOTE ] Sorry I meant under the previous tax regime they used to have a section for cars without a recognisable capacity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danksy Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 It's interesting to hear about the launch control system. Isn't it operated via a sequence of paddle presses or something? Anyone got anymore details? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 This is how it works.... 1. Turn ESP off 2. Put DGS into Sports mode 3. Foot on brake pedal 4. Foot on accelerator pedal to about 3,500rpms 5. Lift off brake and wooooosh... LAUNCH! Riz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 DSG guys can't do burnouts though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 [ QUOTE ] DSG guys can't do burnouts though! [/ QUOTE ] Very true..... no tail happy dougnuts either...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagoo Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 [ QUOTE ] DSG guys can't do burnouts though! [/ QUOTE ] I can, i can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Just in case you missed it : Video (15mb) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snail Posted November 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 [ QUOTE ] Just in case you missed it : Video (15mb) [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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