JonC Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Having had the Revo stage 1 a few months ago, I am still elated at the instant repsonse and out-and-out power surge I get, audibly enhanced by the glorious sound of the Milltek. I am considering upgrading to the stage 2 and would be very keen to hear what peoples thoughts are, particularly from those who have gone down this route. How does the car behave? Is it worth the extra cost and is the extra performance noticeable? If so, where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsy Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 iirc revokev said that there's not much power increase, the increase coming at the higher end of the rev range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] iirc revokev said that there's not much power increase, the increase coming at the higher end of the rev range. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmmm, interesting. Cheers, Petsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revomike Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 STG2 is really to run along side the bolt on parts. Letf us be a bit more full on with map.. give's us a bit more room to play.. With all the bolt on bits + the STG2 you will see about 15/20hp. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 I'm running Revo Stage1 with the 'bolt on parts' (Milltek Hi-flow+Downpipe, Carbonio intake, Neuspeed Charge & Discharge pipes + Samco hoses, Forge DV) and the last dyno (JKM ) showed about 245 bhp (before the Neuspeed/Samco/Forge bolt ons). I get into enough trouble in the UK as it is - 2 x 3pts both for 93 on dual carriageway and 2 x let offs+warnings from unmarked cars for speeds in the 90's also on fast dual carriageways. I'm not boasting, in fact I feel very stupid because the last 'pull' (last night!) could have been easily avoided and I'm in the wrong. The point is that I think that Stage2 could be potentially road license losing. I'm not trying to persuade anyone against a Stage2 on the GTI, in fact I have a very high opinion of Revo indeed and always find it easy to recommend them. Are you thinking of road only, Jon, or occasional track days too? revomike - I assume you are saying a Stage2 would add about 15/20 bhp to a Stage1 GTI which already has the bolt-ons - Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revomike Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 revomike - I assume you are saying a Stage2 would add about 15/20 bhp to a Stage1 GTI which already has the bolt-ons - Yes? you got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 .... So, my GTI, for example, would become about 265 bhp and with increases at higher revs. No no no!! I really don't want to lose my license!! I have to ask whether my bolt ons are wasted on my Stage1. I personally don't think so because the car's driveability is very nice indeed. I guess they're just not fully exploited but with that comes more engine stresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] (edit) Are you thinking of road only, Jon, or occasional track days too? [/ QUOTE ] No track use RR, just road. Its my 7 day-a-week steed. Not experienced enough for track work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] revomike - I assume you are saying a Stage2 would add about 15/20 bhp to a Stage1 GTI which already has the bolt-ons - Yes? you got it. [/ QUOTE ] Tempting. Tempting indeed. Mind you, the Hi flow and down pipes will set me back best part of £600 Still tempting though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] No track use RR, just road. Its my 7 day-a-week steed. Not experienced enough for track work [/ QUOTE ] ....I have no track driving experience either, though plenty of passenger, flag marshalling, and enthusiastic watching! Even for just road, and even in an unmodified performance car, I would recommend a course which one-to-one in your own car offers you teaching on how your car can behave and how to be a 'better' more focussed driver. I did CarLimits on North Weald airfield and Drivetrain on the roads of Oxfordshire. I don't know if there's anything available in your neck of the woods but having done these courses I don't think I know it all but I am much more aware of all sorts of limits and opportunities and feel safer because I can recognise and potentially stay away from falling off the edge! I'm told that the skills for track driving are in some ways different anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 [ QUOTE ] (edit) Even for just road, and even in an unmodified performance car, I would recommend a course which one-to-one in your own car offers you teaching on how your car can behave and how to be a 'better' more focussed driver. I did CarLimits on North Weald airfield and Drivetrain on the roads of Oxfordshire. I don't know if there's anything available in your neck of the woods but having done these courses I don't think I know it all but I am much more aware of all sorts of limits and opportunities and feel safer because I can recognise and potentially stay away from falling off the edge! [/ QUOTE ] I have been thinking of something like that, RR. I had thought of the Advanced Driving course (for cheaper insurance premiums) as well. I think I'll look into it further, after all the skills taught in such courses are extremely valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revomike Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 So, my GTI, for example, would become about 265 bhp and with increases at higher revs. No no no!! I really don't want to lose my license!! I have to ask whether my bolt ons are wasted on my Stage1. I personally don't think so because the car's driveability is very nice indeed. I guess they're just not fully exploited but with that comes more engine stresses. not at all mate... just the stg2 lets us add a bit more on top.. try it .. The STG2 upgrade is only £50.00 + vat.... Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattchaps Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 [ QUOTE ] not at all mate... just the stg2 lets us add a bit more on top.. try it .. The STG2 upgrade is only £50.00 + vat.... [/ QUOTE ] RR, do you get that slippery slope feeling again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
encee Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 [ QUOTE ] I'm running Revo Stage1 with the 'bolt on parts' (Milltek Hi-flow+Downpipe, Carbonio intake, Neuspeed Charge & Discharge pipes + Samco hoses, Forge DV) and the last dyno (JKM ) showed about 245 bhp (before the Neuspeed/Samco/Forge bolt ons). I get into enough trouble in the UK as it is - 2 x 3pts both for 93 on dual carriageway and 2 x let offs+warnings from unmarked cars for speeds in the 90's also on fast dual carriageways. I'm not boasting, in fact I feel very stupid because the last 'pull' (last night!) could have been easily avoided and I'm in the wrong. The point is that I think that Stage2 could be potentially road license losing. I'm not trying to persuade anyone against a Stage2 on the GTI, in fact I have a very high opinion of Revo indeed and always find it easy to recommend them. Are you thinking of road only, Jon, or occasional track days too? revomike - I assume you are saying a Stage2 would add about 15/20 bhp to a Stage1 GTI which already has the bolt-ons - Yes? [/ QUOTE ] Wow, didn`t realise you`d modded your GTI so much RR; I can remember way-back-when, and you were undecided as to whether to go for an initial remap, or not. I see that you now have a whole host of engine mods; not to mention your suspension mods as well. A bit of a modding "expert" now, methinks........!! Nice one mate, and good on yer ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 [ QUOTE ] just the stg2 lets us add a bit more on top.. try it .. The STG2 upgrade is only £50.00 + vat.... [/ QUOTE ] ....2 x 3pts, both for 93 mph, and 2 x let-offs+verbal warnings, both for 90+ mph, all on fast good dual carriageways - Do I really want "a bit more on top"!? Only useful methinks for German autobahns in the 120+ mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 [ QUOTE ] RR, do you get that slippery slope feeling again! [/ QUOTE ] ....Er, Quaife ATB? LED rear lights (OEM Passat style)? Carbon rear badge? - all worms in my brain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 [ QUOTE ] Wow, didn`t realise you`d modded your GTI so much RR; I can remember way-back-when, and you were undecided as to whether to go for an initial remap, or not. I see that you now have a whole host of engine mods; not to mention your suspension mods as well. A bit of a modding "expert" now, methinks........!! Nice one mate, and good on yer ! [/ QUOTE ] ....Also AP Racing Big Brake Kit and the Revo remap was done afterwards earlier last year. So I did most of the 'hardware' performance mods before the remap. I wonder how I would find the feel of a standard GTI to drive now. Believe it or not, for me it's not about blistering high performance but just great driveability - I feel safer: Good overtaking acceleration, good handling, good braking (when needed). Strange perhaps, but I'd rather spend £1,000 on a Quaife ATB than £60 on Stage2. Am I mad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 RR, will all those mods, the insurance must be pretty excessive compared to a non-modified GTI? Mind you, I believe you to be in your mid years, circa 45 so perhaps have built up full NCB? (So sorry if I've aged you!) I'm now having serious doubts whether I'll add any more mods this year as the premiums are already so high - I'm 37 in a few days and its still circa £1k per annum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 A bit confused why your toy only puts out 245bhp, Robin. I've seen Mk5 GTIs with a Milltek cat back and a remap (not REVO) at 250bhp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 [ QUOTE ] get into enough trouble in the UK as it is - 2 x 3pts both for 93 on dual carriageway and 2 x let offs+warnings from unmarked cars for speeds in the 90's also on fast dual carriageways. I'm not boasting, in fact I feel very stupid because the last 'pull' (last night!) could have been easily avoided and I'm in the wrong. The point is that I think that Stage2 could be potentially road license losing. [/ QUOTE ] Quick tip: Press the throttle more gently than in a less powerful car!! ....You'd be sodding dangerous in a proper sports car Robin!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Jon - I'm 60yo going on 26yo . I have full NCB. Mook - My toy possibly does put out more but I haven't rolling roaded it since the initial remap. Chav - I'm always gently progressive with my throttle. It's just that I enjoy giving the car some free rein when the road conditions are appropriate but 70 is the limit in the UK . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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