danny.mcmahon Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Hey guys, I have started another thread about relatively cheap cruise control that ended up being about a 6 hour trial map I have been offered while having the cruise fit. Only had the R about 3 months but looking to get it mapped maybe as a present for christmas if all the family/parents are willing to group together. In the above mentioned thread Mook advised me not to bother with the APR trial map, I'm not suggesting that he is wrong but what are other peoples opinions on this map, if any? Also, what options do I have in the yorkshire area? Does anyone else know of a map for the R that they would recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsy Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 PM burble who had a revo map on his r32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyp Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I had the Revo map on my .:R32 the stage one was ok but was pursuaded to go to stage two and this just simply didn't work, it caused no end of issues with stuttering and hesitation spots, there was a massive massive thread about this on the .:R32OC a while ago with many a .:R32 owner having the same issues with the stage two software. I would suggest speaking with Ed at APS and see what he can advise and there software is very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burble Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Until a week or so ago I had a stage 1 Revo remap on my .:R and was really happy with it. I went for Revo because I had previous experience of them as they remapped my MkIV PD150. Also I wanted to be able to switch off the map if I needed so the select switch was something I wanted. Remapping an N/A car doesn't give the huge power gains that you get on a turbo charged car but it is still worth doing in my opinion. After the remap the .:R32 was a nicer car the drive, there was more mid range grunt and a sharper throttle response. The only reason I don't have a Revo map on any more is that I had a set of Schrick camshafts installed so went for a custom remap which takes into account all the mods on my car. I have no idea what APR maps are like but I've seen a few people be less than complimentary about them. If you go for a Revo map talk to the chaps who are going to do it - there are a few different settings available that can be tweaked to your preference. I went out for a 'spirited' drive from one of the guys from Revo HQ when mine was being done so could feel for myself what difference the different settings made. In the end I went for quite an aggressive throttle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burble Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I would suggest speaking with Ed at APS and see what he can advise and there software is very good. I was just about to edit my post to say the same thing. I'm running a custom APS remap now and am thoroughly pleased with the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Danny, the answer, is seems so far is no-one has used the APR map. It's a fair trek for you, but a visit APS in Brackley will be worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyp Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Yep agreed lads, people go from all over to visit APS, deffo worth the trek+++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny.mcmahon Posted October 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I don't think I'll bother with the free trial then, seems to be the general consensus that the APR map isn't the one to go for, no reason for me trying it if there's no chance of me ever getting it. Seen a few horror stories flying around as well, definitely don't need that! Suppose the best option would be for me to get a milltek fit first anyway and this might affect the map. I'm not sure whether or not my car has had the 6463 update, I think is has the much talked about hesitation but don't fancy paying a dealer just to check. Should they be able to just tell me in the showroom, even if it was not done at that dealers? I don't know anyone with VAG-COM either. If it turns out that the car hasn't had the update, should I be looking to get this done for free, if so, how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 edit... Suppose the best option would be for me to get a milltek fit first anyway and this might affect the map Absolutely. The remap will take into account and adjust to any hardware that you're running, such as a Milltek. If it turns out that the car hasn't had the update, should I be looking to get this done for free, if so, how? Your dealer will carry out the ECU software update free of charge if required for your car. Have this done prior to the remap though otherwise the update will wipe the remap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burble Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Have this done prior to the remap though otherwise the update will wipe the remap. I'd be shocked if any 3rd party maps for the MkIV didn't include the 6463 update in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyp Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 IIRC the APS map does already include the 6463 uupdate within its software, so your killing two birds with one stone:grin:+++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 It does, as do the AmD and Revo ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Doh, didn't realise it was a MKIV.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Pay attention at the back of the class, Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Pay attention at the back of the class, Jon LOL. I was always there, Mook! 37 years old and nothing's changed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny.mcmahon Posted October 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Absolutely. The remap will take into account and adjust to any hardware that you're running, such as a Milltek. Your dealer will carry out the ECU software update free of charge if required for your car. Have this done prior to the remap though otherwise the update will wipe the remap. Been to see my dealer earlier, had no idea what I was talking when I mentioned both the '6463 update' and the flatspot that this was supposed to remedy. I mentioned that it should be done for free as it was to fix a fault with the engine ECU but they were adamant that for any work to be done I would have to pay the minimum 'diagnosis' charge of £86.36. They still didn't know what I was on about when I left but said that if i paid this 'minimum charge' they would reload the software for the engine. This is beginning to frustrate me with dealers, I'm quite sure that as soon as a customer under the age of 30 walks in, they have already decided that they are not interested in what I have to say. Can anybody suggest a dealers that they had the 6463 update installed for free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny.mcmahon Posted October 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 PS. I'm after the update as I cant afford either a remap or a new exhaust right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 No dealer should charge you. Find yourself another one, Danny as the one you tried are clearly ignorant and not capable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny.mcmahon Posted October 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 No dealer should charge you. Find yourself another one, Danny as the one you tried are clearly ignorant and not capable. Yeah thanks, I'm going to have a ring around and find someone more willing to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisel Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) I don't know if this is any help, but I can suggest the Brammall & Jones VW dealer in Harrogate. I got my 6463 update done by Brammall & Jones in Boston, Lincs. At first they hadn't a clue but I was insistent and sure enough the service manager rang around VW UK until he found someone who knew their a*se from their elbow. 2 days later he rang me to say that he had the software update on a CD ROM and he'd be happy to install it FOC. JC is spot on - find another dealer who has a more helpful attitude. If you could tie the update in with other workshop jobs on your car they will be more likely to help. HTH Edited October 28, 2008 by Brisel Typos! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny.mcmahon Posted October 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I don't know if this is any help, but I can suggest the Brammall & Jones VW dealer in Harrogate. I got my 6463 update done by Brammall & Jones in Boston, Lincs. At first they hadn't a clue but I was insistent and sure enough the service manager rang around VW UK until he found someone who knew their a*se from their elbow. 2 days later he rang me to say that he had the software update on a CD ROM and he'd be happy to install it FOC. JC is spot on - find another dealer who has a more helpful attitude. If you could tie the update in with other workshop jobs on your car they will be more likely to help. HTH Cheers for the advice guys, I'm going to have a phone around tomorrow and see what sort of reception I get from them. Brammall & Jones will be top of my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiptek Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 (edited) PS. I'm after the update as I cant afford either a remap or a new exhaust right now. Danny, i think we might know each other from school, check out our website and give me a call. ill give you good discount on a remap! CHIPTEK-UK Edited October 29, 2008 by Chiptek forgot Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiptek Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Just noticed you are only 22, Wrong Danny Mcmahon - Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4quatt Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 I have a mate who has a 32 with full Milltek on & i suspect its been mapped too, reason being the throttle response is so aggressive. You just need to think about the throttle & the car leaps forward in the lower gears! One thing which surprises me is how different the car is compared to the S3 considering they are both based on the same chasis... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 If it's an aggressive throttle map, it's likely to be an original AmD remap (when they were based in Bicester). The R32 is a shed load heavier on the front end compared to the S3, because of the Vr6 lump. You can get rid of some of the understeer, but not all of it (I spent a small fortune on my R32, so trust me!), which is very acheivable on the S3 with the right suspension and anti-roll bar set-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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