Road Tax Increases......Delayed???

[max_b]

Has anybody else picked up that the govt are planning on delaying the road tax increases, as part of tax cuts they are planning at the mo? 12 month delay appartantly

Anybody else heard this?

[alera]

Well it’s been confirmed that its almost certainly going to be delayed - for a year at least therefore indefinitely as in year or so the Tories will be in power and there is less than no chance of them applying this tax. You could put a gun to JC head and he would not implement this. Its a seriously unpopular stealth tax that everyone can see coming.

From the start it was obvious this increase in VED would never be applied to the extent originally planned - the number of people affected was huge the increase was over 100% for several million people.

Like so many policies of the current government they simply did not think about what they were doing.

Petrol’s lower than it has been for years and the VED increase is not going to happen now but the damage is done. Coupled with the credit crunch the government has succeeded in destroying a large part of the UK car market.

Good job !

Edited November 11, 2008 by alera

[bullett]

The Gov of course will spin this as a tax cut if it goes ahead. No, it's not a cut it's just stopped costs rise.

Biggest win tax cut wise, cut fuel duty. Effects everyone, custs delivery costs, production costs the lot.

[cruiser647]

So, will those who've just shelled out for thier new, higher tax disc get some money back?

[techieboy]

Thank gawd for that. I thought I'd imagined hearing that on Radio 4 this morning when I couldn't find any mention of it anywhere.

So, will those who've just shelled out for thier new, higher tax disc get some money back?

The proposed increases haven't taken effect yet, so nobody has forked out for them yet (other than the fact they've managed to murder the residuals on larger engined cars in the run up to the new tax tables).

[cruiser647]

Thank gawd for that. I thought I'd imagined hearing that on Radio 4 this morning when I couldn't find any mention of it anywhere.

The proposed increases haven't taken effect yet, so nobody has forked out for them yet (other than the fact they've managed to murder the residuals on larger engined cars in the run up to the new tax tables).

Oh right.

[patently]

Gosh. Anyone would think he's planning an early election.

Only Gordon could describe a decision not to increase a tax (yet) as a tax cut.

[Mook]

Any politician could describe a decision not to increase a tax (yet) as a tax cut.

Edited for accuracy

[patently]

Mook - Are you suggesting that NuLab are not the ultimate Kings of Spin?

Or, can you point to similar misinformation by a different party?

(actually, isn't this the second time they're announcing a delay to the road tax increase?)

[mb]

Mook - Are you suggesting that NuLab are not the ultimate Kings of Spin?

Or, can you point to similar misinformation by a different party?

(actually, isn't this the second time they're announcing a delay to the road tax increase?)

Well Norman Lamont said he was "increasing VAT by 2.5%" when the increase was really 16%...

[patently]

I take it that's a joke?

[Mook]

VAT was 15%. It increased to 17.5%. Spin says that's a 2.5% increase, but the real figure is 2.5/15 = 15.625% increase.

They (politicians) are all from the same mould, imo - they just say what suits their personal and/or party's spin requirements.

[patently]

This is a nice example, in fact. If you increase a price from £15 to £17.50, that is an increase of £2.50 or an increase by slightly over 16%. If you increase a rate from 15% to 17.5%, that is an increase of 2.5% or an increase (of the rate) by slightly over 16%. Nevertheless, it is accurate to describe the increase as being one of 2.5%. It is also quite clear to everyone what is going on; no-one is actually misled when you say you are increasing a 15% rate by 2.5% to 17.5%.

Compare that to the routine, regular, and documented innaccuracies, untruths, and misleading statements that have been issued since 1997.

FFS, Labour went to war on the evidence of a misleading dossier. You're comparing that to an increase of 2.5% vs an increase by 2.5%??

They (politicians) are all from the same mould, imo - they just say what suits their personal and/or party's spin requirements.

I wouldn't disagree with any of that. Whenever a politician speaks, common sense says that you should wait and see what actually turns out to be the case. It has always been thus.

However, the fact that politician's utterances have historically always been thus tinged does not excuse the wholesale shift in the political process that we have seen since 1997. New Labour have taken lying and spin to new heights; to a degree that we have not seen before.

[Mook]

I agree with your last statement. I'm yet to be convinced that either David Cameron or Nick Clegg would be any different though. I think it's a fundamental shift that labour have exploited to its maximum over the last 11 years, but it's now become "acceptable" in the eyes of politicians, so it'll continue.

[patently]

it's now become "acceptable" in the eyes of politicians, so it'll continue.

Yes, that's what worries me most.

Also, when you look around and listen to the media, you realise that an awful lot of people and journalists are too thick to know the difference. So not only is it become habitual, it is also becoming essential.

Just imagine if a government minister appeared on Today and said "Yes, there's a risk it might not work. But if it does work, then it'll be a real improvement. So we want to run with it and see how it goes. Then if it flops, we'll drop it."

He'd be torn to pieces...

[Mook]

That goes back to the argument that they seem to only ever think about the four year term (or whatever's left of it).

But if someone put a reasoned argument to Mr Humphreys and it held, I reckon that they would get more out of it in the medium term after the initial media frenzy had calmed down.

But I can't see that happening

[Soapsuds]

I have said it one and will say it again.

Mook for PM.

[Mook]

I have said it one and will say it again.

Mook for PM.

Feck off - it doesn't pay enough

[Tipex]

I agree, and in a bizarre twist, we have already named loads of Englands towns after Mooks historic rescuing of our country, remember this -

Obviously it wont happen till he's dead, but what a great way of remembering englands hero...

[Soapsuds]

Busy today then John???

[Mook]

Busy today then John???

He's never busy - he's a feckin taxi driver

[Tipex]

Tis true, it's always quiet these days, What time am I finishing? only just started mate so not till later.

I did actually make that map ages ago to illustrate what areas (below the red line) are 'Down south' and what (above the red line) is 'Oop North' although I cant think for the life of me why...

[Soapsuds]

I thought Duisburg was insane....

[patently]

I have said it one and will say it again.

Mook for PM.

Tempting, but then he'd be a politician, too. So every time he said anything, we'd have to think "yeah, right"

[Merlot]

Few people understand the difference between a percentage and a percentage point, that's all.