M3Will Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Hi all, Im presently toying with the idea of changing my E46 M3, and am seriously considering an R32. Ive been offered an unregistered car from a VW dealer with satnav/alcantara/cruise, oh and its silver (I wanted blue or black with the same spec, but alas, it seems Rocking Horse [censored] would be easier to purchase). Anyhooo, they've offered me the car at £25,100. This seems to be a pretty good deal to me, but I'd appreciate any feedback from existing R32 owners. Is there anything I should watch out for ? Or any difference between early and later built cars ? (for instance) cheers will ps. already like the idea of the AmD 270kit, and I havent even got the standard one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moschops Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Hi Will, I've just sold a Concours condition small Turbo Escort Cosworth to buy my R32....and its Blue Not a decision I took lightly I can assure you Taking delivery on March the 1st(all being well!!!) Having posted various questions on here and also talking to other owners at AMD the week, its seems a good move, the car gets a lot praise and only a few critisisms (spell?) All the owners I have met are very enthusiastic and very knowledgable about the R32 and I'm really looking forward to picking mine up. I don't think their are many differences from early to late cars although the the later cars now have lumbar supports in the seats, not sure of any other changes although I'm sure those in the know will help you out here. Not too sure on your price as I dont know how much Alcantara cost, but I know the Sat Nav will add at least £2100!!! plus most dealers I've spoken to won't discount the cars So i guess its probably not far off. Hope this helps. 4 weeks and counting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loddrik Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 [ QUOTE ] Im presently toying with the idea of changing my E46 M3, and am seriously considering an R32. [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulboy Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 He probably doesnt want to look like a max power type monkey loddrik! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loddrik Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Which car is/do you think will become max power first, it won't be the M3 that's for sure. And if you are allluding to my choice of car, P1's have not succumed yet. I just find it slightly incredulous that someone would go from a near supercar to a powerfull hatchback, 5 steps down methinks. I realise all you R32 owners like your cars and seem very protective over the image, but the fact remains the M3 is in a different league in every single way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Welcome to TSN Will, I`m also waiting for mine which im collecting March the 1st. If your car is unregistered it will most likely be a MY2004 car, which will have the latest seats and ECU revision for the EU market. Agree that the M3 is a different car but if you fancy a change and want a "cheaper" car then why not? This whole R32 vs M3 situation is getting out of hand.... they are two very different cars but both have a **bling bling** factor about them, good street cred etc I personally wont be modifing my R32 due to finantial, insurance and warranty reasons but that wont spoil my fun when ive run it it (approx first 1000 miles) In my opinion the R32 should be cheaper to run than the M3 and probably cheaper to buy so you should have some change left over for your planned modifications... the 300bhp with sports cames sounds nice I`m sure you`ll love the 4WD grip in the wet etc and enjoy the rareness of them. If you do buy one i would hold out for March 1st for the new 04 registration. Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Oooops almost forgot. Discount has been hard to come by from many R32 owners Here is the list prices for your given specification. 3dr R32 = £23,215 (the OTR price was different at some stages) Sat Nav (Mono)= £1000 Alcantara seats = £1200 Cruise = £180 Total approx £25,595 DISCOUNT £495 better than nuffin Are these your specifications Also if your going the VW fianance route always try for a good APR rate. Sell M3 private too..... dealers offer silly part-x prices. Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamR32 Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 [ QUOTE ] I just find it slightly incredulous that someone would go from a near supercar to a powerfull hatchback, 5 steps down methinks. I realise all you R32 owners like your cars and seem very protective over the image, but the fact remains the M3 is in a different league in every single way. [/ QUOTE ] I think the guy knows that already All I think hes after is it a good deal or not? The whole M3 vs R32 issue is a bit 'my cars better than you're car' crap which is a bit childish IMO.There both very good cars which have good and bad points but you have to agree the R32 is alot cheaper which gives you alot of bang for your bucks.I say buy what ever floats-ya-boat. Oh and welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 [ QUOTE ] Which car is/do you think will become max power first, it won't be the M3 that's for sure. [/ QUOTE ] Hello....hello....is there anybody there?! You have to be kidding mate. Think of the image of the previous shape M3 - it is a proper Hayezsquad mobile. That won't happen to the R32 because firstly there are so few around and secondly because most of the Max Power bass heads won't even know what one is! By the way, welcome Will Go for it mate but try and get the dealer to shave a few more quid off. I got my second one with full colur sat nav and leather for less than they are offering you that one for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loddrik Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 It is not a question of "my car is better than your car", me, and many, many others, aspire to own an M3, the same cannot be said of the R32, although it is reasonable for the money. If the man wants something cheaper, fair enough, my point is that I am suprised that someone is trading in this way when the natural progression is from R32 to M3. Owners of R32's seem too defensive, why, I am not this way about my P1, which IMO is far, far better than an R32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loddrik Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 [ QUOTE ] Hello....hello....is there anybody there?! You have to be kidding mate. Think of the image of the previous shape M3 - it is a proper Hayezsquad mobile. That won't happen to the R32 because firstly there are so few around and secondly because most of the Max Power bass heads won't even know what one is! [/ QUOTE ] I am talking about e46 M3's. With regards max power favorites, I think you will find there is far more preference for mk 1, 2 & 3 golfs than M3's amonst the boy racer crowd, and, due to price alone, the R32 will be within reach for that crowd a few years before e46 M3's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 [ QUOTE ] I am talking about e46 M3's. With regards max power favorites, I think you will find there is far more preference for mk 1, 2 & 3 golfs than M3's amonst the boy racer crowd, and, due to price alone, the R32 will be within reach for that crowd a few years before e46 M3's. [/ QUOTE ] Er... when I bought my second R32 I could have bought an early E46 M3 with the same money. The reason that I didn't is that in a few years time it will have the same reputation as the last M3 imho. That was the point I was making. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough for you. Your argument doesn't satnd up by saying they have a preference for mk 1, 2 & 3 golfs because that is like saying the M3 is the same as a 318i which clearly it isn't. I don't disagree that they have a liking to golfs but the R32 will simply be too rare and too subtle for them to go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 I agree.. now get in your japcar and do one...... Just kiddin Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loddrik Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 [ QUOTE ] Your argument doesn't satnd up by saying they have a preference for mk 1, 2 & 3 golfs because that is like saying the M3 is the same as a 318i which clearly it isn't. I don't disagree that they have a liking to golfs but the R32 will simply be too rare and too subtle for them to go for it. [/ QUOTE ] So judging by that logic, the P1 has far less chance of becoming max power than your R32, being that only 1000 were made, in real life, this is not true, eventually any aspirational car will fall in the attainable bracket for these kids and they buy them and mod them. You are being a bit nieve if you really do believe that max power boys really don't know what an R32 Golf is!!! Just because they are young and have dubious taste in car modification, doesn't mean they are not clued up on more desirable expensive cars. These people all read magazines like autocar, car, top gear and espeicially EVO, where the R32 has been reviewed at length. If you really believe that the R32 is some exclusive, exotic car, you are mistaken, and just because a kid drives a souped up Saxo does not mean he knows nothing about cars, and it is a concieted view to believe this is so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamR32 Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 [ QUOTE ] It is not a question of "my car is better than your car", me, and many, many others, aspire to own an M3, the same cannot be said of the R32 [/ QUOTE ] Read that again to yourself.I think you'll find the 'my cars better than yours' must be true otherwise why would people aspire to an M3 rather than R32? I'm not defending the golf, far from it , but is it fair to compare them when their costs are so vastly different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loddrik Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 You should read it again, I said aspire to, not better than. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loddrik Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 R32, it is your destiny............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamR32 Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Your argument doesn't satnd up by saying they have a preference for mk 1, 2 & 3 golfs because that is like saying the M3 is the same as a 318i which clearly it isn't. I don't disagree that they have a liking to golfs but the R32 will simply be too rare and too subtle for them to go for it. [/ QUOTE ] So judging by that logic, the P1 has far less chance of becoming max power than your R32, being that only 1000 were made, in real life, this is not true, eventually any aspirational car will fall in the attainable bracket for these kids and they buy them and mod them. You are being a bit nieve if you really do believe that max power boys really don't know what an R32 Golf is!!! Just because they are young and have dubious taste in car modification, doesn't mean they are not clued up on more desirable expensive cars. These people all read magazines like autocar, car, top gear and espeicially EVO, where the R32 has been reviewed at length. If you really believe that the R32 is some exclusive, exotic car, you are mistaken, and just because a kid drives a souped up Saxo does not mean he knows nothing about cars, and it is a concieted view to believe this is so. [/ QUOTE ] Gotta agree with loddrick on this one...Some tw@ts gonna get there hands on one soon and ruin it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamR32 Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 [ QUOTE ] You should read it again, I said aspire to, not better than. [/ QUOTE ] I'll go look that word up then...I always thought you aspire to something better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 [ QUOTE ] So judging by that logic, the P1 has far less chance of becoming max power than your R32, being that only 1000 were made, [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. [ QUOTE ] eventually any aspirational car will fall in the attainable bracket for these kids and they buy them and mod them. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah this is true. I am not saying the E36 M3 has a reputation of being a modders car. I am saying it has a reputation as a wannabe bad boy car. Now the R32 simply won't suffer that kind of image problem because after all, "it's just a golf." The P1 won't becasue of its rarity but the M3.......well, I think it might which is why I didn't buy one. EVERYONE knows what an M3 is whereas only people intersted in cars will know what a P1 or R32 is compared to a normal Subaru or Golf GTI - there is an image difference because these people want EVERYONE to know what their car is. [ QUOTE ] If you really believe that the R32 is some exclusive, exotic car, you are mistaken [/ QUOTE ] I don't recall using the words exclusive or exotic but ho hum. [ QUOTE ] because a kid drives a souped up Saxo does not mean he knows nothing about cars [/ QUOTE ] This is true but you are not seeing the reason he drives a souped up Saxo. It's a hobby. If he bought an R32 there wouldn't be a lot he could do - he would rather buy a 1.8GTI and play with it. But if he bought an M3 he wouldn't care about doing anything to it because EVERYONE knows what a M3 is and he would be a bad boy for owing one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loddrik Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Once upon a time, nobody thought the same fate would befall this poor Golfy, and then....................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loddrik Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Look, I get your point but I just think you are underestimating the appeal the R32 will have when it becomes attainable to the undesireables, I have said all I will say on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamR32 Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 I bet thats a 1.6 Christ on a bike why do they do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaffaCake Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Yawn, don't argue with Scooby owners. Don't you know they're always right and Scooby are also THE best cars on the planet. Yeah right... Basically the Scooby owners would love an M3 but can't afford one. He could afford the R32 but doesn't want one. So he hates the idea of somebody who can afford an M3 changing for an R32. Get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Mmmmmmmmm im affraid that this is how i see it. 1. M3 2. R32 3. P1 Dont care waht anybody says the scoobie is one of the worst cars with a rep "im a boy racer with dump valve thingy with big bore exhaust system and all that aye" and now we come to this numwit! wtf has he done to that M3? Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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