jamieg Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Hi, Anyone in the know that can help please? I've been away and I was going up the M6 at 80mph, I was in the middle lane and this means I would have been overtaking as I know how to drive correctly and my lane discipline is very very good, I was being overtaken by another car at the time and there was a mobile camera van on a bridge, I was always under the impression that doing 80mph was tolerated however on my return home I've a notice of intended prosecution for doing 80mph "exceeding a speed restriction of 70mph." Where do I stand here and what can I do? I know I was doing 80mph as I clearly remember checking this when I saw the mobile camera van. The weather was fine and the roads were very clear. I have various options in how to respond however I was the driver and have only option 4 on the reply to notice that applies other than paying the fine and taking the points, option 4 is "I wish for the matter to be heard at court" no other options like requesting their evidence or anything. There is a contact telephone number but I've not tried to contact to discuss yet. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 What can you do? Nothing. Sorry, but what option to do you have other than to take what's coming? My apologies if I'm missing the point here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Driver awareness course? If your clock was at 80 mph, that is likely circa a real 75 mph, which wouldn't have been flagged for NIP. Maybe you should ask for the picture evidence just in case they have somehow got your car mixed p with the one you say was going faster on the outside lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) 80mph? is that all, just take it as a lesson learnt. It has nothing to do with road conditions, the weather, and everyone else drives at that speed. The speed limit on that stretch of motorway was 70mph you were doing 80mph (breaking the law), tick the box and send it back - UNLESS you have points already? Edited September 9, 2012 by Andy_Bangle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 The very most you're going to get is 3 points and a £60 fine, although I too suspect it'll be a speed awareness course. I don't see what point there'd be to appealing either - because you'll lose. If it's a speed awareness course then it'll cost you £80-ish but no points. Mobile cameras will get you at any speed over 77 mph on a motorway as I understand it. It's the police squad cars that will allow you to get away with up to 80-85mph (generally). As a final point though - the M6 is legendary for mobile camera vans. I must admit it's one of two roads in particular that I am always very cautious indeed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 p.s. one thing I didn't ask, what part of the M6? It's relevant because if you were in Dumfries & Galloway you will not be offered a speed awareness course. You'll get points and a fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldavo69 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Yup, speeding is an absolute offence, unfortunately the leniency guidelines are just that - guidelines. You could find out what speed they've clocked you at, 10% plus 1mph is when they start enforcing it, so if you're done at 76mph you MAY have a case to be let off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 He's said - the NIP states 80mph, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Getting done for 80 in a 70 is basically crap luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 The form you have is set up as a perfect prisoner's dilemma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma). You either cooperate with them and take the course or 3 points/£60, or you ask for the evidence and have to argue the issue in Court and risk a more severe sentence. The justification is that this is more efficient because their systems can never go wrong. However, it means that their systems are never tested. It's very wrong, and it stinks of blackmail. There's no choice though. For 80 in a 70, you'd be mad to contest it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ92 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Well thats bad luck,there wont be many people on here that stick to 70mph on the motorway. Take it on the chin and move on,there is no point in trying to contest it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chody Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 you could try and ignore the first notice they may drop it depends how busy the pf office is they may just lose you but no harm waiting for at least the second nip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Reckon we'll hear back from the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Reckon we'll hear back from the OP? After 80 in a 70? Nah, he'll be on remand by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Has anyone on here ever been done for 80mph on a motorway? I'd say that at least 50% of the uk drive at the speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 I think they researched the issue and found that the average cruising speed on UK motorways was 80-85. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieg Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 The location for this alleged offence was M6 Cumwhinton Travelling North, 343880 552915 Cheers for the advice guys. I was without a doubt doing 80mph, I have been offered the NSAC instead of taking the three points but I just feel really hard done by getting booked at 80mph and trying to see if there is a way of taking this further. Obviously I don't want to go to court and risk paying a way higher price. Can you get pictures without going to court? Could it have tracked the car next to me overtaking me as this car did move lane into the middle once it passed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Am I missing something here? You admit to doing 80 and the NIP says 80 yet you're questioning if they've clocked the wrong car? I would take the course and move on to be honest, put it down to bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieg Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 The part I'm questioning is the fact I was doing 80 and was clocked at 80, most people drive at 80 and above just seems really harsh. I always thought and as posted up here that there was a margin of error so my speed should have been around 75. I'm only questioning if they have clocked the wrong car as I'm really surprised to be in this position for doing 80 and the NIP says 80 so I was thinking and as posted up here by someone else did they make an error by clocking the car overtaking me. Yeah I know it's bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 I'm not saying it's not harsh, I think it's pretty crap to be honest. However I'm not sure standing up in court and admitting to 80 in a 70 and but complaining that you shouldn't get done is much of a defence It's like me arguing that while I admit I was drunk and disorderly, I wasn't as drunk as the arresting officer made out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 I'm in the same position, albeit 42* in a 30. If you want to see any justification for why they are sending you the NIP, you have to go to court and you risk a higher penalty and legal costs. If you want the course or the £60/3 points offer, you have to roll over. It stinks. It is blackmail to prevent anyone from querying them, to prevent any legal oversight of their operating methods. But you'd have to be mad not to go along with it. *which I wasn't doing, I was doing 39... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chody Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 you can request the photo evidence without prejudice mate it may show the other car so worth a try but if they are offering you a course i would take it, in scotland you dont get a choice just three points every f*****g time the robbin b******s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Just take the speed awareness course. It's speeding and you've been unlucky, but you can be assured there'll be a lot more people done for the same speed on that day. I don't see how you'll get anywhere at all by challenging it. You'll just waste time and effort and end up with the same result in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If you were doing 80 and the limit is 70, you've technically broken the law, even if your speedo is out, so I'd bend over and take the penalty points (likely 3) and fine (likely £60). I'd not advise going down the requesting photos and contesting it in court. It'll cost you a shed-load of money and your fine will likely be higher (speaking from experience when I disputed a 48 in a 40 offence when I was driving to work on a Sunday morning because there was a fire at the office If you do decide to take it to court, do NOT say you were doing 80 3 pts and £60 will have minimal effect on your insurance premiums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If it's his only endorsement then that chances are it'll have no impact whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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