Cuprabob Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Poles: Hamilton 8 - 1 Button Wins: Hamilton 10 - 8 Button Fastest Laps: Hamilton 9 - 6 Button Points: Hamilton 657 - 672 Button Personally I didn't rate Button before he went to McLaren and didn't think it would work out form him as I thought Hamilton would show him a clean pair of heels. I'm happy to admit I was wrong however I still think he was overrated prior to joining McLaren even although he did win the WDC. I think he is has a good shot at the championship next year along with Alonso, Vettel and Kimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Hare and tortoise springs to mind. I think JB is the most intelligent racer out there, whilst Hamilton is one of the fastest. What LH needs to learn is that sometimes it's better to bring the car home in the points, rather than 'win or bust'. Kimi grabbed 3rd in the title race by being Mr Consistent all season. There's a lesson for all there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 What LH needs to learn is that sometimes it's better to bring the car home in the points, rather than 'win or bust'. Agreed. Penultimate race 2007 for example, China. The Ron Dennis mantra is win at any cost..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 The 'win' gets the glory at the time - even if it is short termism, if you do win! For the Championship, Vettel has shown that points (and some luck) makes prizes. Backed up by a consistent Alonso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 If you no longer go for a gap, you're not a racing driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 If you no longer go for a gap, you're not a racing driver. And sometimes trying for that gap will stop you racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 And sometimes trying for that gap will stop you racing. No guts, no glory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Going for the gaps is the only way of learning which gaps not to go for. (I hope to find out, one day) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 If you no longer go for a gap, you're not a racing driver. Words of Ayrton Senna after his infamous championship-deciding first corner crash with Prost at Suzuka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 If you did mastermind would your specialist subject be: State the bleeding obvious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Lol I knew you knew Luke but didn't know if subsequent people who quoted you did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Quality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdiesel Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Actually the interview took place in Adelaide at the following race. The interview was conducted by Jackie Stewart and Ayrton was wearing a black/ dark Hugo Boss polo shirt. Do I win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I thought everybody knew that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 The best bit was his use of Stewart as his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracocha Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 This season Hamilton has outperformed Button complety in all aspects but one. The one area where Button is superior is intelligence, as has been mentioned before in this thread. For example in Brazil, when Lewis overtook him and started fighting with Hulkenberg, Button appeared to deliberately sit back to let them trip over each other and the win was handed to him on a plate. This is something that Lewis doesn't do. The problem with button is that he will rarely win against Hamilton in a straight fight as he is slower. Button has not been the luckiest but Hamilton's season reads like a comedy: Singapore - 1st place, mechanical dnf Abu Dhabi - 1st place, mechanical dnf Brazil - 1st place, Hulkenberg spun into him (understandable under the conditions) Spa - taken out by grosjean Spain - taken out by Maldonado from 3rd position Germany - flat tyre from Massa's smashed front wing, dnf Bagrain - back of grid I think as no fuel left korea - roll bar failure Japan - shock failure Plus a fair few pit stop errors early season before the team improved. After those errors, the fact that he still beat Button this season is impressive. Also hamilton won 2 out of 3 seasons which is probably the most important stat for the in house driver battle. Jenson is the cooler of the two though I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Jenson is the cooler of the two? That is so important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Button is only cooler because he uses Head & Shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Veracocha, whilst you make some fair points, it's not like JB has had a season without issues. Austin GP - qualifying breakdown, keeping him from a top 4 grid position - and he went very well in the race, so who is to say LH would have won? Bahrain - exhaust issue. Italy - fuel starvation. Japan - Gearbox penalty. Korean - Kobycrashi took him out. Malaysia - Collision with a driver who really doesn't deserve a Super Licence. So it's all swings and roundabouts - you can't even take position on retirement to be a suitable measure, either, as both race to very different strategies, which often means JB will be untouchable during the later stages of a race. They've rarely been in true head to head battles - but when they have, it has largely been honours even over the 3 seasons. It's too close to call - JB was 2nd in the title race last year, whilst LH has had 2 x 4th places in their time together. Next year will be very interesting, as I think we'll see a McLaren that's truly set up to favour JB - rather than being a compromise. (We all know that LH works his tyres harder than JB, who struggled throughout the middle of the season to get any heat into them). With Perez also being a smooth driver, I think we'll see a very strong McLaren challenging for the titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Hadn't realised how bad the Mclaren car has been this season. I knew they had some issues but that is terrible reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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