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Just seen an advert for the new Seat Toledo - and thought 'I've seen that before'.

Turns out it's just a Seat badged Skoda Rapid. They haven't even tried to disguise it this time.

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I know VAG do platform sharing to a greater extent than anyone else - but at least they gave each brand individual styling most of the time.

This is as lazy as the Seat Exeo and first generation Skoda Superb - which were little other than outgoing VW cars with new lights.

It's interesting that they're both based on the A5 (Polo) platform, yet are 'Golf' sized - I suppose this makes them very cheap to make.

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Not been into a VW dealer for a while - but I'll be going to one soon, as my DSG box needs a firmware update. I'll have to have a look at the relative sizes, as the Rapid / Toledo look quite large.

Basing them on the Polo does explain the engine choices, though - you can't get a decent power 1.4TSI in either of them - I think they're only getting the 1.2TSI.

Still, will be interesting to see if we re-visit them as company car choices later this year - the old Leon was rejected because of the shite interior quality, but I can see the Rapid and Toledo being more than acceptable in 1.6TDI form.

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I had a MK2 Toledo back at the end of last century and it was a brilliant car but a lot of MK1 owners were upset because it had a boot as opposed to a hatchback.

Feck knows what they were thinking with the MK3 Toledo and it didn't sell at all and the Exeo was a quick solution based on the old A4 tooling.

The new one is pretty uninspiring too and you're right it's just a Rapide with a different badge.

I also see VW are going to be doing a 4 door Golf coupe called the Golf CC

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The Mk1 and Mk2 Toledos were excellent cars - the Mk1, especially, was hugely under-rated as a budget Golf GTI.

The current / outgoing generation of mid-sized Seats were where Seat lost their way - interior quality took a dive and styling went a bit odd - the Leon didn't look too bad (but it was a step back from the Mk1), but the Toledo and Altea were ugly pigs.

Not sure what happened with the Ibiza, either - the Mk2 was also an excellent car - but things have gone downhill rapidly since.

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Basing them on the Polo does explain the engine choices, though - you can't get a decent power 1.4TSI in either of them - I think they're only getting the 1.2TSI.

Their marketing men have deemed that people who buy Seat's and Skoda's want reliable econimical motoring, in a good (if slightly bland) package. In a Korean stylie, hence the look.

High power Seats and Skodas don't sell in high enough numbers and are even deemed to undermine the higher power VW models?

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Her mums got one of the new modeal too but only the 80bhp (I think) 1.4l jobby and I had to convince her to get that rather than the 1.2l 3 cylinder one that was available at the time. Looks like they're starting to introduce the 1.2l TSI engines in some of the different trims now as well (there are 8 different trim levels on the website WTF?!) What's R-Line?

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Her mums got one of the new modeal too but only the 80bhp (I think) 1.4l jobby and I had to convince her to get that rather than the 1.2l 3 cylinder one that was available at the time. Looks like they're starting to introduce the 1.2l TSI engines in some of the different trims now as well (there are 8 different trim levels on the website WTF?!) What's R-Line?

R-Line is just a trim level like S-Line for Audi. A few options as standard and a body kit. Supposed to come across sporty without buying a GTI or an R model.

The Polo BlueGT looks very good and has cylinder deactivation, but a bit pricey at around £18.5k, but cheap compared to an A1

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MrsTP has the Polo 1.2 TSi in SEL trim, albeit SEL has now been replaced by the R-Line set up.

Absolutely stonking car, magic 4-pot Turbo engine, does 50 mpg+ and has never put a foor wrong.

We ordered it with the panoramic roof and two years down the line, it has proven to be a great buy. :eclipse:

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