Andy_Bangle Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Grosjean has gotta stop crashing his car! (and getting 10-place grid penalties) They reveal that in the year ending December 31 2012, the Oxfordshire-based team made a £56.8m after-tax loss due to reversing sponsorship revenues. Its net loss widened by £35.9m as revenue fell 19.8pc to £92.7m.No other F1 team filing publicly-available accounts has ever lost as much money. The closest is the £46.3m after-tax loss made in 2011 by Marussia, a team which was part-owned by Lloyds Banking Group until earlier this year. The Lotus accounts state that the drop in income was “mainly due to lower sponsorship revenues”. Lotus F1's £56m loss is motorsports biggest - Telegraph OT: Loving the Lotus F1 / Daft Punk tie-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 So, Kimi tries his best to bring in sponsorship, points and podiums whilst Grosjean succeeds in wrecking his good work! With Perez, Grosjean and Massa, I bet the Monaco street cleaners are still finding bits of carbonfibre embedded in the armco! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 So, Kimi tries his best to bring in sponsorship, points and podiums whilst Grosjean succeeds in wrecking his good work!With Perez, Grosjean and Massa, I bet the Monaco street cleaners are still finding bits of carbonfibre embedded in the armco! To be fair, Massa's crash in the race was due to suspension failure so can't blame him for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 How long can Lotus continue to justify the sponsorship that Danny Bwahahaha neg'd of the F1 team? They hardly have the revenue to justify it just now, or the new model line-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 As a Lotus fan I can only pray that things straighten out and Kimi does not go to Red Bull. On the other I gleefully look forward to what Kimi could achieve behind the wheel of a Red Bull. I'd like to think that Grosjean is probably losing a lot more money than he's bringing in. This isn't the first time he's totaled his car like this (nowhere near that in fact) - all the while, if he was actually competitive then Lotus might have the chance to win the Constructors' while Kimi is so close to the leaders. As it stands he doesn't - he puts in continually poor performances or ends up in a wall. Next season I can see Lotus F1 going for two deep-pocketed drivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Grosjean is fast, though. Once he cuts out the crashes he'll be getting consistent points. Raikonnen v Vettel at RedBull. That would be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Once he cuts out the crashes he'll be getting consistent points. Wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Grosjean is fast, though. Once he cuts out the crashes he'll be getting consistent points. That's like saying Patently will be in with a chance of winning the Caterham Academy title this year. It's bollox. Sod crashing - no-one else seems to be as consistently good at wrecking his own and others' cars as Grosjean. Sack him and get a better driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Nope, Patently's qualifying pace isn't good enough as he freely admits. Grosjean has had pretty decent quali sessions and decent grid spots. I agree though, there are only so many chances you can give someone to stop wrecking their and other people's cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I give you Jarno Trulli. Qualifying expert - very quick over one lap. Race time? Erm, nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Nope, Patently's qualifying pace isn't good enough as he freely admits. This is true. But at least I know what I need to do to win - just go faster in quali. And in the race. Without spinning. (*and keep my hands on the wheel) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 This is true. But at least I know what I need to do to win - just go faster in quali. And in the race. Without spinning. (*and keep my hands on the wheel) ....and finish in front of everyone else+++ I honestly thought Grosjean would come good but I admit I was wrong. He's had more than enough time to prove himself. Time to give someone else, who isn't French, a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 This is true. But at least I know what I need to do to win - just go faster in quali. And in the race. Without spinning. (*and keep my hands on the wheel) and, and, and, and, and... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Future Lotus F1 drivers? Davide Valsecchi is 1st in line. D'Ambrosio is next in line. If they are really desperate then Nicholas Prost (Alain's son) is under contract as well. OT: Grosjean's longest conversation with Kimi: Interviewer: What's the longest conversation you've had with old mate Kimi over there who we just spoke to?Romain Grosjean: I think that was... "If you ask them they can do different ones." That was the longest sentence I must have had, when we spoke about the Oakley sunglasses last year because we were both partners with them and I said, "Oh, where do you get yours?" and that's it, he said, "If you ask them they can do what you want." Interviewer: So in twenty races, you've travelled the world together, that's the extent of it? Romain Grosjean: (laughing) Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Grosjean is fast, though. Once he cuts out the crashes he'll be getting consistent points. Just been looking at the stats considering my last reply may have come across a little disrespectful Grosjean has had 1 mechanical failure to Raikkonen's 0. Excluding failures, he has scored 5.2 points per race to Raikkonen's 14.3. In qualifying, Grosjean is trailing 6-0. For the sake of comparison: Rosberg has had 2 mechanical failures already from 6 races to Hamilton's 0. Excluding failures, he has scored 11.8 points per race to Hamilton's 10.3, and is level in qualifying at 3-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Hardly fair comparisons. Give me the stats between the RedBull boys and Ferrari. I bet they're similar to the Lotus duo in skew. Edited May 30, 2013 by m4ttm4son terrible spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Matt are you secretly French but trying to hide it from us, you snail chewing, garlic-swilling monkey..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 You could be on to something Mook, look where he lives - Cântérbury - It's almost France! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Mais non, err, I mean course not bruv! Snails? I ain't eaten them since Christmas, at least. No monkeys in France, as far as I know, they're all from up t'North! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Je crois que tu habite France, mais tu ne veux pas dire! Sacre blue - ç'est formidable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Now who's bl00dy French?! I'd say it's all 'Greek to me', but if that were the case, I'd understand it better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I know little about the team, but as a business how can they support this loss? The road cars must make **** all money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 The F1 team and road car business are, I believe, unrelated. It seems that Lotus Cars are just a title sponsor for the F1 team - and have licenced the Lotus name to the team until 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Who bank roles the team then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 It's a complex arrangement - Genii Capital appear to own 75%, with Lotus Cars owning 25% as part of their sponsorship deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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