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I spent about £250 on a Dogcam HD and it was superb (Biscuits bought it from me).  I also bought the auto-stop/start and in-car ability to record on a single button push if I wanted to.  It had a 2" display showing what it was recording although I always had it tucked away in the glovebox of the Z4.

 

I couldn't fault it.  The quality was outstanding.  I sold it because I never got around to putting in the 5 series and it spent 6 months sat in the garage gathering dust.

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Still really struggling to see the point in these things.

 

There's potential to self-incriminate - as has happened to a couple of bikers caught with a cam running when pulled by the police.

 

However, the most damning thing about them is that a large number of video clips uploaded to YouTube by dash cam users show them driving in a way which encourages people to react badly, then they pontificate about the amount of bad driving around them.

 

Most of the incidents people seem to want to record are once in a lifetime incidents and mostly avoided by not driving like a self righteous cnut.

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I can see the risk of self-incrimination, yes. I'll just have to be careful in that respect :coffee:

It's just that I've had two incidents recently where a video would have been useful, as the other party's recollection was significantly at variance with what actually happened (to put it politely).

As for the YouTube concern, I'm already a self-righteous ****, I doubt a dashcam could make me any worse :roflmao:

So I've ordered the one reviewed in Scotty's link. It's a more reasonable price than the dogcam but seems to have the same important features, and I like the very unobtrusive mounting +++

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Still really struggling to see the point in these things.

 

There's potential to self-incriminate - as has happened to a couple of bikers caught with a cam running when pulled by the police.

 

However, the most damning thing about them is that a large number of video clips uploaded to YouTube by dash cam users show them driving in a way which encourages people to react badly, then they pontificate about the amount of bad driving around them.

 

Most of the incidents people seem to want to record are once in a lifetime incidents and mostly avoided by not driving like a self righteous cnut.

 

If you don't do anything stupid, you'll not incriminate yourself.  It's not rocket science.

 

However, they can be a superb aid if you're the victim of someone doing something stupid - or lying about doing something stupid.

 

I would have kept mine if it wasn't for the fact that fixing it in a car with a dash as large as the 5 series meant doing a bit of jiggery-pokery that I didn't want to have to.

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I don't buy that 'if you don't do anything stupid' - because I'm pretty sure all of us do something illegal every time we get into the car.

 

Do you religiously stick to speed limits out of urban areas? - all those silly 50mph limits on open country roads? - or on dual carriageways? - do you always stick to 70 on motorways / dual carriageways?

 

Because I don't believe anyone on a car enthusiasts site will be able to truthfully say they do.

 

I still really struggle with the need for them, though - as you know, I've been working in field based roles for a number of years. Since 2006, in fact. So I do a fair number of miles per year. I've not once felt the need to have a camera running in the car - mostly because I've anticipated the kind of incidents that people say they need a cam. to defend against.

 

I'm by no means a great driver - but I believe everyone else on the roads is out to kill me and drive accordingly.

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Having just watched that Techmoan review video I'm very impressed indeed.

 

That is a very featured packed camera for the price, exceptionally so.

 

However, that guys solution for wiring would drive me insane.  The piece of wire from the roof to the camera looks an absolute mess.  The wires show on the side of the dash/A pillar and I'd want it hard wired in to avoid any wires at all.

 

It wasn't an issue in the Z4 with my camera because it was a small cabin and the camera was on the dash.  So what leads you could see were short.  That wouldn't be the case in the 5 series though.

 

I also don't know why he would put it behind the mirror when it is so portable.  It would annoy me having to adjust the mirror all the time to access it/remove it.  I think I'd be more tempted to put it on the passenger side corner of the windscreen (as the output power seems to be on the left). 

 

I can see why you'd opt for that one, patently.  +++

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I don't buy that 'if you don't do anything stupid' - because I'm pretty sure all of us do something illegal every time we get into the car.

 

Do you religiously stick to speed limits out of urban areas? - all those silly 50mph limits on open country roads? - or on dual carriageways? - do you always stick to 70 on motorways / dual carriageways?

 

Because I don't believe anyone on a car enthusiasts site will be able to truthfully say they do.

 

No, of course I can't promise hand on heart that I never break the rules.  As you say, no-one can.  But I do try to drive safely, and I think a dashcam would show that.

 

And if looking back at the dashcam showed that I had been in the wrong, that the near-miss (for example) had been due to me going too quickly, then maybe that would make me stop, think, and improve my driving rather than fume about the idiot who got in my way.  Stranger things have happened.

 

 

I'm by no means a great driver - but I believe everyone else on the roads is out to kill me and drive accordingly.

 

Good advice +++

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I had my camera in the car for about a year.

 

You don't have to have a complex about being a victim of an accident to use one.

 

It can also yield very interesting things, such as the numerous deer I caught on mine.  It did capture a few very near misses - but not involving me.  Some on here will recall me posting a video on FB of two cars on the M1.  One undertaking as the other started to pull in....and that was very close indeed at about 75-80 mph. 

 

I laughed my socks off watching a cyclist set off from the traffic lights up here...and fall over.  He just lifted his feet to pedal off, but the wheel spun on the wet tarmac and he went down in a way you couldn't have scripted.  It was just fun.  It doesn't have to have a purpose.

 

If it brought about something useful, then so be it. 

 

It's £60 without GPS in this case.  £70 with it.  Is it even worth arguing over?  Not really.+++

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I have a blackvue DR400 hard wired in mine and another one if the wifes car, the peace of mind they give you is worth the price and if your ever in an accident with no witnesses or no admission of liability they are great for protecting your no claims bonus. Living near the insurance scam capitol of England it was a no brainer for me.

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If the serious purpose of using a camera is for evidence when involved in a non-fault incident, what are the legalities surrounding content? Do you get to edit the footage to show only what you believe is relevant? Or do the police have the right to confiscate it and, for example, use circumstantial evidence against you by showing you were speeding earlier in the drive? And do the police have right of confiscation if your camera was running and you're involved in accident you'd rather they didn't see the footage of?

 

I do tend to take a similar approach to that mentioned by Twinspark - that every other road user is out to kill me (or at least that every other road user will do something monumentally stupid at any moment). However none of us are perfect and I do quite like the idea of having evidence when the time comes that I can't avoid an idiot. It's just the potential for the flipside, as above. Again I'm fairly confident I wouldn't do anything to incriminate myself 99% of the time, but I am human...

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So long as you aren't stupid enough to post videos of yourself 'honing your skills' on Facebook/Youtube etc I can't see what the issue is?

Even if you were in an accident that was your own fault, you just wouldn't offer the video footage to the third party.

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So long as you aren't stupid enough to post videos of yourself 'honing your skills' on Facebook/Youtube etc I can't see what the issue is?

Even if you were in an accident that was your own fault, you just wouldn't offer the video footage to the third party.

 

That's my view of it, the insurance company don't know I have it so If I'm in an accident and it's my fault it just doesn't exist, same for getting pulled up by the police.

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I submitted an audio of a car driver admitting guilt. It was just accepted and they immediately sorted out a loan vehicle based on the fact they knew they'd be able to claim the costs.

 

Nobody asked for the full unedited version so I don't see why they would on the video. If you cut it very short then I guess they possibly would want to see another 5-10secs before but otherwise it doesn't seem relevant.

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I'm trying to work out the difference between the two cams linked to in this thread?

I'm tempted to get one, I'd prefer it to be a bit more stealthy, being as we aren't allowed CCTV in our taxis unless we use the council approved system, which as you can imagine, is bordering on Betamax in the tech stakes.

But as it'll only be recording externally, I can't see it being a problem.

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I've had one behind my rear view mirror for about a year now, never needed to use it for insurance purposes but have had a couple of close shaves where it would have come in handy to prove my point of view. As you say, if/when an accident is my fault it'll be off the windscreen before I stop +++

Ps spotted. A Bond Bug has just driven past me whilst typing!!

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