Sven Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Anyone know an online shop (pref. in EU) who sells these brake pads for the S8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Don't you need different discs for these brakes to work properly? As in grooved/drilled or something like that? eg - Porsche disc and pad set-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I can get you the new EBC red stuff ceramic pads if you want them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 There is a review of EBC red ceramic here if your interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skanksy Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 [ QUOTE ] I can get you the new EBC red stuff ceramic pads if you want them. [/ QUOTE ] Hello Botang, can these pads be used in our standard 8/S8 set up or do you have to change discs as well? Now hit me with the price for the set! cheers, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 If you read the writeup, it was stated that the pads were used with the OEM scooby discs. Sounds like exactly what I want, so the question is: where, and how much? Oh, and are they available for the RS6? I'm also guessing that it's advisable to fit the pads with new discs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted August 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Thanks Matt, Have you tried them yourself? I've read the review and that sounds good, but I value live reports... The reason I selected the PBR/Axxis is that they are suitable for road & track (light), don't squeel (like Ferodo DS2500, otherwise excellent), are gentle on the discs, and last but not least, provide excelent braking. (Does that answer your question, Cruiser? Also, the S8 Brembo kit is better than some aftermarket kits) The reason I did not mention the (easier to find) EBC pads is that they (Greenstuff) tend to fall off the backing. A friend had this happen twice! (resulting in damaged discs and a car that couldn't be driven anywhere). Could have easily been worse... Hence my reluctance... Therefore the 'light crumbling' mentioned in the review worries me a tad more than it does the author. But, I'm open to suggestions... I was under the impression redstuff was track only, and greenstuff was their 'fast road / light track' pad, but apparently that's no longer the case. The Bendix/PBR/Axxis Ultimate Ceramics seem hard to come by, and their sites are not really up to standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted August 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 [ QUOTE ] I'm also guessing that it's advisable to fit the pads with new discs? [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily. If your discs are still good, just leave them on, or have them refinished if they are grooved (as in worn uneven). Would be a waste to bin good discs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I can get you the new EBC red stuff ceramic pads if you want them. [/ QUOTE ] Hello Botang, can these pads be used in our standard 8/S8 set up or do you have to change discs as well? Now hit me with the price for the set! cheers, Paul [/ QUOTE ] Yeah you just use them with the standard discs, I have the EBC equivalent of the standard discs, but there is no real difference. On some models they can provide grooved discs not sure if they are actually any better though, grooves only clean the pad surface they dont make you stop quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I'll have to let you all know on the prices I'll ask for you on Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 [ QUOTE ] Thanks Matt, Have you tried them yourself? I've read the review and that sounds good, but I value live reports... The reason I selected the PBR/Axxis is that they are suitable for road & track (light), don't squeel (like Ferodo DS2500, otherwise excellent), are gentle on the discs, and last but not least, provide excelent braking. (Does that answer your question, Cruiser? Also, the S8 Brembo kit is better than some aftermarket kits) The reason I did not mention the (easier to find) EBC pads is that they (Greenstuff) tend to fall off the backing. A friend had this happen twice! (resulting in damaged discs and a car that couldn't be driven anywhere). Could have easily been worse... Hence my reluctance... Therefore the 'light crumbling' mentioned in the review worries me a tad more than it does the author. But, I'm open to suggestions... I was under the impression redstuff was track only, and greenstuff was their 'fast road / light track' pad, but apparently that's no longer the case. The Bendix/PBR/Axxis Ultimate Ceramics seem hard to come by, and their sites are not really up to standards. [/ QUOTE ] Ive got EBC red stuff as has ttandka, but they are not the ceramic ones, they brought these out just after I got mine I think. Your partly right about the trackday thing, originally red werent advisable as they didnt work very well from cold, this was all sorted before I got mine and now they have improved them again. They are now adviseable for fast road driving in larger cars such as A8/RS6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted August 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 If you're gonna ask, would you mind asking about the S8 discs? What's available & costs? (345x30 / 280 X 22 MM). Just in case... Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Will do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 [ QUOTE ] They are now adviseable for fast road driving in larger cars such as A8/RS6 [/ QUOTE ] Hmm - I mailed them to enquire about availability of the ceramic pads for the RS6. They emailed back asking me to trace around the outline of my existing pads. I hope their production is a little more precise than working from my drawing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted August 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 ROFLMAO Oh well, at least they've taken an interest... PS: check if they come with sensors! Some don't apparently, and knowing these cars, that might end up with a permanent warning light... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audia8s2 Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 [ QUOTE ] Hmm - I mailed them to enquire about availability of the ceramic pads for the RS6. They emailed back asking me to trace around the outline of my existing pads. I hope their production is a little more precise than working from my drawing! [/ QUOTE ] Sure you didn't send the email to Blue Peter by mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A8Mark Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Lmao @ audia8s2.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 If it came with sensors as standard they have sensors fitted is how I understand it, prices were being sorted out this afternoon so i'll let you all know later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Ok Guys all sorted Ive got you all a substantial discount if you want it Prices covering All A8's and A8 Quattros (all years) S8 up to 98 EBC Red stuff Front Pads £120 EBC Red stuff Front and Rear Pads £155 EBC Red stuff Front + Turbo Groove discs £310 (Front only) Full set of Red Pads, Front Turbo Groove discs and Plain rear discs £435 S8 98 onwards EBC Red Stuff Pads Front and rear £120 (no discs available) RS6 pads are completed but are awaiting Reg 90 approval (will be 1 - 2 months) cant give price until they are approved Please Note I know the same pads dont fit all listed above (A8/S8) however he has done them all for the same price so it makes no difference money wise. If any of you are interested please pm me so that I can give you the info of who to call etc). All will be the new Red Stuff Ceramic compound. All prices are including VAT, delivery will be £10-£15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryoung Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 The Good News: EBC pads have R-90 approvals and performance is equivalent to OEM pads. The Bad News: EBC pads have R-90 approvals and performance is equivalent to OEM pads. Is the ECE R-90 approval actually required for all brake pads used on the street in Europe, or is this for information only? I upgraded my S8 with a high friction street pad (the Ferodo DS2500) to firm up the brake pedal. The DS2500 is not R-90 compliant, but I'm not driving in Europe either. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted September 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Thanks Matthew, That's the new version I assume? (just to be sure) Odd there are no discs, I found a nr. somewhere that's supposed to be front discs for the S8 (A800042). Rear discs are shared with some A8 models IIRC (from the top of my head). Anyway, that's not really an issue right now anyway. I'll have a chat with the tyre/brake centre, to see what they want for just fitting resp. fitting + pads. (No space to do it myself, and no tool for the rear calipers). I'll get back to you, thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] That's the new version I assume? (just to be sure) [/ QUOTE ] All will be the new EBC Red stuff ceramic compound [/ QUOTE ] I didnt get around to checking specifically on the sizes you gave me, leave it with me i'll have a word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted September 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 [ QUOTE ] The Good News: EBC pads have R-90 approvals and performance is equivalent to OEM pads. The Bad News: EBC pads have R-90 approvals and performance is equivalent to OEM pads. Is the ECE R-90 approval actually required for all brake pads used on the street in Europe, or is this for information only? I upgraded my S8 with a high friction street pad (the Ferodo DS2500) to firm up the brake pedal. The DS2500 is not R-90 compliant, but I'm not driving in Europe either. Randy [/ QUOTE ] Randy, IIRC the R90 is only for cars later than 01-04-'01 (in Europe). Not sure if this applies for first fitment only... Anyway, I have never seen a policeperson crawling under a car to check. All they test on the annual check is the brake function & stopping power. So I can't see how they would enforce this, and TBH I think most people couldn't care less, as long as the brakes perform better. But more to the point, you believe the (new) EBC Redstuff are performing no better than OEM pads? How's that? I can't find the friction levels right now, but if that were the case, what would the difference be between red- and greenstuff f.i.? (okay, greenstuff is mainly to keep the wheels clean, but redstuff should be better). So why make two different pads if in the end they perform the same? Please elaborate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 I think its just the way youve read it. I assume that to sell products for road use they have to meet the Reg 90 approval otherwise they would have to say for track use only which would put off customers. For the equivalent to OEM again I assume its a statement they have to make by law and in reality means at least the same as OEM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted September 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Yeah, but the way I read it, the Reg 90 isn't that much of an issue where it concearns 'grip'...? Ferodo Reg 90 link EBC PS, is there no independent comparison table somewhere? Like there are for tyres? I'd like to see that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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