larryccf Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 curious if you chipped as well and whose chip? i know AMD is supposed to have a chip program for the schrick cams but want to hear from someone who's installed it with the cams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMeanBob Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 I would consider it in the new year if I could actually see evidence of the 300bhp. Would be slightly concerned by the warranty consequences...in the same respect, I'm not entirely sure that the garage would notice... b0b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryccf Posted December 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 i figured it would be a "stealth" mod and be a nice mechanical bridge between the ram air cai i built and the blue flame exhaust off topic - i keep realizing how mundane my web name is, when i see others, including yours but the best one i've seen or most "out of the box" is Pull My Finger got to make a point to pickup some imagination first thing tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMeanBob Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N3WOB Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 This has been covered a few times in previous threads...been out for a run in two 32's with the AMD stage 3(remap, exhaust + new cams) and whilst passenger both occasions the car is Noticeably different..I was surprised just how fast the dash rev needle span across the dial in all gears not that I spent much time looking down, too busy looking ahead at how quickly everything seem to be passing compared to stock. I understand that you can now arrange to have this mod done via Wayside albeit AMD do the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 I think the R32 needle in standard form is pretty quick.. hate to imagine what the 300bhp version is like... Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32North Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Cams will make a noticeable difference. Its one of the mods I would most like to do but for Insurance and Warranty purposes I'm not going to too! Whether you get 300bhp or not I can't say but I'm sure Cams, CAI, Exhaust and #6463 would put the output in the 290bhp + bracket Cams are one of the essential 'breathing' components of the engine, new cam profile will open the vavle sooner and longer than stock, allowing more air/fuel in and exhaust out. If you want to do it right you get bigger valves and the head worked as well to compliment the new cam profile, but even on their own I'd expect a difference. My bruv ran a Kent 286 Fast Road cam in his 8v MKII GTi and it was super. It added approx 20hp which was certainly noticeable and moved the rpms from about 6600 up to 7250rpms. All in the cam was great and I can see any reason why a better profiled set of cams in the 3.2 V6 wouldn't give a much needed boost in power and torque. Anyway, FC will be able to confirm the improvements with Schrick cams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryccf Posted December 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 well, for everyone's fyi file, stock cams are 240 on intake and 236 on exhaust i got the mild schrick cams, 264/260 and lift is increased almost 40 thousandths (1MM) talking to engineer at schrick, he volunteered i should expect 16 - 22 hp gain, depending on software and intake / exhaust systems so i'm looking for somewhere close to 20hp my cold air intake is a custom ram horn behind the lower grill valance and ducted upto the stock airbox - the smallest diameter on the ductwork is 4.5 X 4.95" and that's up at the airbox end - i've become thoroughly convinced that engine can't get enough air - kind of like my azaelas - i believe you could plant them in a pond and they would still want more water anyway, anyone got a url for AMD - i did a google, and apparently google was not my friend today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N3WOB Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 http://www.auto-amd.com/home.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryccf Posted December 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32North Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 I'm all for more air onto the engine.... cams will certainly help in that area! As an aside, I'm doing exactly this on my Mini Bike (MX). Free flow filter, polished inlet and now trying to get more air into the engine: bigger carb, bigger inlet, bigger valves! All will equal more power. R32 has a 3.2l V6, sould be good for 300-310bhp with out any forced induction. Just need to get the bu99er breathing better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 [ QUOTE ] R32 has a 3.2l V6, sould be good for 300-310bhp with out any forced induction. [/ QUOTE ] So what if you installed cam`s only? No remap. Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32North Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Remaps are the easy, 21st century route to more power. If you 'work' an engine you can get heaps of power without remaps, turbos or chargers. Things such as... - head work; porting, skimming, polshing, bigger valves etc - cams; higher lift, longer duration - lightening; flywheel, pulleys, etc - fueling; higher pressure injectors, intake cooling - breathing; more cooler, smoother, controoled air in, more exhaust out Remaps are pretty much required tho to take advantage of the new characteristics of the engine, to ensure best possible fueling, timing, etc. I learned a lot about engines when I used to mod Minis - read How to Modify a Mini by David Vizard and you'll learn a 5hit load about getting Ooomph from an engine. You can squeeze 100bhp out of a 998cc mini engine without any forced induction and an 8v head!! That 100bhp per ton, ie the same as an M3. I know of 1308cc Minis, no forced induction, putting out over 150bhp and thats a mean power to weight ratio - 13.6 secs up the 1/4 mile So, having a graet big 3.2l V6 its prefectly possible to get over 300bhp with cams and a few other tweaks and twiddles - if you prepared to get the work done by someone who knows what they are doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 What about reliability? Since the engine has all these new parts will it be as good or better than the oem setup? Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadeejay Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] R32 has a 3.2l V6, sould be good for 300-310bhp with out any forced induction. [/ QUOTE ] So what if you installed cam`s only? No remap. Riz [/ QUOTE ] I've contacted the italian dstributor of Schrick and he told me that 3 things must be done to get the most from the cams: A) Exhaust (definitely!) B) K&N panel filter (or similar or, better, a CAI) C) a remap I also would like to remember that a well done remap can cure the peaks and the holes through the revs and that our MAF is quite sensible so the cams without remapping could cause frequent EPC alarms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32North Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 I doubt that any aftermarket remap is designed for the Cams except the one that AMD does, so if you added cams, tweaked the engine, exhaust, etc etc etc, you have to get a custom remap done to suit the changes! These 'ready to go' remaps are not suitable for proper engine mods !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Mmmmm all this talk.... f#ck that... mines staying oem... Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32North Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Aye, apart from the Zorst and #6463 I'm not messing with mine either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadeejay Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 [ QUOTE ] I doubt that any aftermarket remap is designed for the Cams except the one that AMD does, so if you added cams, tweaked the engine, exhaust, etc etc etc, you have to get a custom remap done to suit the changes! These 'ready to go' remaps are not suitable for proper engine mods !! [/ QUOTE ] Of course... You're right... I was talking about custom remap, because here in Italy is quite usual to have a remap done exclusively for your car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryccf Posted December 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 dadeejay i don't doubt remap will help get full benefit of the cams but the K&N filter - i will contest that i've never thought K&N or other aftermarket filters help airflow and someone on vwvortex pulled up an airflow comparison "someone" performed that "appeared" scientific anc clinic confirming that OEM air filter is fine for airflow - very slight difference than K&N but definitely better filtration with OEM filter K&N was or is great for race cars and bikes where you're running in extremely dirty / wet conditions and want a fresh filter every race - with the K&N being cleanable, it's become more economical to go with K&N than a new OEm filter - i used to run K&N on an endurance bike back in the 70s (actually dreamed of running the ISDT six day trials) but for daily drivers, don't know how K&N and the like captured so big a market - guess it's people thinking, if racers use it, and if i use it, well, then i'm a racer - i don't know for air intake, miine isn't just a CAI but has some ram effect - kind of like a hood scoop built into the ft bumper and ducted to the stock airbox here's a link to someone that bought one from me and detailed the install etc http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1722623 at the bottom of his first posting is a link to his personal webpage and there you'll see larger images and better detail as well as pix of his wife, who is gaining a pretty large fan club and no, not selling any right now, they were too labor intensive to fabricate (approx 18 - 19 hrs per + material cost) but do have the molds out for quotation in injection plastics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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