DivineE Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Does anybody have a definative answer to which car is faster? 944turbo or 300zx TT? Me and a friend have had this raging debate for nearly a year now about who's car is faster. Unfortunately (or fortunately) we will now never know as both of our cars are in the process of constant modification. With his car currently in the workshop for a 3.2l rebuild and 600+hp and mine penciled in for a 3.0 rebuild to 400+hp but with 500+ft/lb touque (im still deciding on the details of my tuning and still not sure who's will be faster because his car is heavier 1580kg vs 1380kg and will have more lag) I know there was a magazine artical 300zx turbo vs 944turbo S 'Automotive Nov1990' but im not buying it! surely someone knows the answer? Any info or oppinions would be apreciated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zchybrid Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 in standard trim the later 944 turbo (250bhp) would stonk all over a standard 300zx..... as for modded ones who knows, a friend od mine had a 944 turboS (silver rose) and he had a 310bhp conversion and i watched him run constant 13.1 second quarter miles, neck and neck with a TVR cerberra which was brand new (a few years back now) and quoted to be the fastest road car at the time..... Another friend of mine is buying one soon, 944 turbos rock!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agoogy Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 His could have 700hp and yours only 250 and the 944 would still have more class. Kind of odd comparing a 600hp Nissan with a 400hp Porsche anyway, thinks its clear who's going to be quicker of quarter mile. The torque figure sounds impressive though. What are you having done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activa Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 My first question has to be "why haven't you ever had a race(on private land obviously!!) to find out the quicker"? Anyway that aside. As ZC so rightly says-a 944 turbo is one of the fastest "useable" cars on the road,and that's in standard form.Mod them a bit,not to 400bhp,just to a mere 330 or close to that figure and then you'll blitz just about everything this side of an 600 brake Skyline or a McLaren.In standard form a lame(and yeah I'm gonna say lame,because I don't even class them as a proper sports car-mostly auto/too wide and ungamely and not very well engineered at all!)300 TT will get minced by a standard 944 turbo and that's before we've got to the corners where it'll have to go for a break while admiring the Porsches superb balance and handling finesse! I was just looking through the classifieds this afternoon and there is a good reason why 300's start at about 1500 quid and go upto 5 grand and the 944 starts at 5000+ and goes upto 12 or 13.Apart from a few exceptions the secondhand market knows decent cars,prices do normally reflect the difference! Just look at the price of Rover 75's-Nuff Said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loddrik Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 It's a Porsche, the other is a Nissan, why even bother racing, just feel smug instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activa Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 True! But the Nissan owner may wanna show how his medallion looks a bit like a Stutgart badge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivineE Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Thanks for the confidense guys. Also thanks to 'activa' for the first response which nearly made me laugh untill I cried In response to the question and incase anybody else is ever interested.. The huge torque figure comes from changing to a 3.0 bottom end, its actually the longer stroke of the 2.8 crank that gives all the torque and thats a common conversion which gives about 420hp and 515ft/lb with the usual refinements of a big turbo, map kit injectors, wastegate etc but after extensive research into tuning a 944 I discovered the long stoke engines are lacking in power at high rpm which limits the peak hp value. Basically if you want a really quick car it seems there are three stages... 1. Buy bolt on bits and leave internalls this is a fantastic hp for money item and doesn't wreck your engine! this is available as a package at £1999.95 giving 400hp with approx 390ft/lb go to www.promaxmotorsport.com for details on stage 4 kit. 2. Buy kit and also change to 944 S2 crank this requires new pistons and rods to fit but a pre manufactured kit is available again try Andrew at Promax this gives the 420hp 515ft/lb as mentioned above but allow £5000+ 3. Go crazy and get 3.0 bottom end which from S2 with 2.7 head from lux which because of the bigger bore gives massive torque and high end power knife edge the crank and gas flow the head then add stage 4 kit and stand alone engine management system and you hopefully beggin to see why the estimated figures for my car were conservative but I dont want to get over enthusiastic before I find out the total cost! I might end up with option 2 yet! One can only hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivineE Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Oh and we havn't yet raced because every time one of us wanted to try it the other made an excuse! Oh and to hell with pvivate land why else would they make mile long bypass roads that are always perfect tarmac and about 5 cars wide with only 2lanes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activa Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Jeez,they do some serious conversions that's for sure.Doesn't surprise me that those kinda figures are available with the Porka being so well(over?)engineered. Let me know which one you eventually go for,I maybe tempted to follow suit! Torque is way more important than horsepower,that 515lb/ft sounds scary.With that kind of figure your gonna go a long way to find a car to compete.Low 12's or late 11's on the dragstrip will be possible and there aren't many road goers that can match that! And mate,don't worry about the Datsun,after all,they made Cherrys,Violets & Bluebirds.All sweet,just like your victory will be!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zchybrid Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 [ QUOTE ] And mate,don't worry about the Datsun,after all,they made Cherrys,Violets & Bluebirds [/ QUOTE ] hey, you forgot the Datsun laurel and cedric!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activa Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Yes thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivineE Posted January 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 activa I just read your looking for a 944? If you want any help or advise send me an email and I'll tell you all I'v learnt from the two I'v owned. Also if you happen to be looking in the Northampton area I'd be happy to assist I'm no expert but feel confident I could spot most 944 related problems pretty fast. You find you learn alot of things owning one that you would have loved to know before you bought the car! Like if you buy you an 85pre ABS turbo (like mine) because its lighter and slightly better built you'll find you cant uprate the brakes without changing the wishbones and hubs! DAMN! £999999999999.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activa Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Nice one,thanks for the offer.I wanna get a 91 ie last of, if poss but it won't be til February. I will deffo mail you nearer the time as I'm only in St.Albans not a million miles away! Thanks again! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivineE Posted January 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Sorry for the huge delay in reply. I'm still waiting for the prices ! I was hopeing to be able to tell you what option I was going for before I repied! Still either way just tell me when your on the look out and I'll be happy to help. We can combine looking for a 944 for you with a quick blast in my (hopefully) tuned and fully finished car . plus it looks good to turn up in the same model car as the one your looking at! They will know straight away they can't start lying ! Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activa Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Good call Ben! I've often worked on the same theory that if you turn up in the same car they think you know them inside out.Normally it's true but every time it works!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VG30DETT Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I know there was a magazine artical 300zx turbo vs 944turbo S 'Automotive Nov1990' but im not buying it! surely someone knows the answer? [/ QUOTE ] This one ? Titled "Passing the baton" : http://www.300zx.cl/ga/300zx/images/indexauto1189.html There are several other offline articles too that all follow the same theme. On its launch The 300zx knocked the 944T of the top spot as No.1 Sports/Performance. Certainly nothing against the 944. In 1990 the 300zx was far ahead of its time, and the 944's time had ended. Two cars from different era's. [ QUOTE ] in standard trim the later 944 turbo (250bhp) would stonk all over a standard 300zx..... [/ QUOTE ] Suggest you read the above article. [ QUOTE ] It's a Porsche, the other is a Nissan, why even bother racing, just feel smug instead [/ QUOTE ] Im sure the Nissan owner would be feeling pretty smug himself too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayz Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 [ QUOTE ] In standard form a lame(and yeah I'm gonna say lame,because I don't even class them as a proper sports car-mostly auto/too wide and ungamely and not very well engineered at all!)300 TT [/ QUOTE ] S'funny, I remmeber watching the Top 100 cars of all time and the 300zx was quoted as being "A true japanese supercar". Also the standard 350Z kicks the 944's ass, and considering the standard 300zxTT beats the 350Z, then . . . . . As for the style, gimme a 300 anyday, I like the porsche 911, but the 944 looks too much like a 924 too me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen300 Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 why even bother racing because you know the 300 would cream your bodykitted audi , out accelerate it out brake it out corner it and definately most definately would out class your hairdressers wheeled handbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeVe8UK Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 944 beats a Z32tt Cracker that one. 911's cant so how can your 944 audi rot box. That and mines a SWB and weighs 1400kg is cheaper to buy, cheaper to run and cheaper to uprate. Goes faster, corners better, looks better and is rarer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300ZX_Dave Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 ahem - the copy of Car Magazine March 1990 which I have on the desk here with me says all over the front page "300ZX - like a Porsche 944 Turbo and 928 rolled into one." Why spend £10k+ on a 944 when you can get a v. good condition ZX for half that and have money to spare for mods? I thankyou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z32kicksAss Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 I CAN GUARENTEE A Z32 T/T WOULD KICK A 944 ASS as standard !! THATS A PROMISE !! Please can someone tell me what wally got the idea a stock 944 is quicker !!!!!, And as for being smug!! If you think that just because u drive a clapped out old porche 944 and think u can sit in it smug then, you are far to up your own ***!! I have no problem with general Porsche drivers but the ones that think they are better than others need to have a look at why they have a Porsche, Like most women say , probably just a kn*b extension !! But at the end of the day, i have no problem smoking a Porsche up and leaving them in a trail of tyre smoke !! FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agoogy Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Looks like the rice brigade have taken offence.... Yes indeed the ZX is cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, cheaper to insure etc, and there's good reason for this...ITS CHEAP. As for being rare... err no, take a gander at Southampton import docks... there's as many ZX's there as there are Micra's in Bournemouth town centre....and they probably share the same switchgear...and even if it were a choice between a Nissan or an Audi I'd still not pick the Nissan. I'm not anti Japanese cars, used to own a lovely little CRX. But when it comes to character, design racing heritage, pedigree and engineering a Porsche keyring STILL out guns a Nissan one down the pub. In 50 years when Nissan, Honda, Mitsubishi and Toyota have their deep pool of racing heritage and technological breakthroughs, that may not be the case especially as by then the performance cars will have their own brand as they will NEVER be able to compete whilst they share the same badge as economy boxes that sell in their millions...call it badge snobbery if you want...it exists As for performance lets not forget a £20,000 Ariel Atom p1sses all over EVERYTHING bar an Enzo, so when push comes to shove no-one should really argue or buy a car based purley on that criteria. We're all looking for a perfect package for ourselves....which ultimately is subjective. As VG30DETT put it, two cars from different eras... The 944T comes from a car developed in 1977... so perhaps we should invite some 240/260Z/280Z owners to the topic. Nissan owners wouldn't be quite so forthright then... Now the new Lexus Supra thing looks MUCH more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VG30DETT Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 [ QUOTE ] As for being rare... err no, take a gander at Southampton import docks... there's as many ZX's there as there are Micra's in Bournemouth town centre.... [/ QUOTE ] thats like saying take a gander down to a porsche dealer, there are loads or Porsche's there ! The 300zx is a lot rarer than 911 and 944. See 10 of them for every 300zx. [ QUOTE ] and they probably share the same switchgear...and even if it were a choice between a Nissan or an Audi I'd still not pick the Nissan. [/ QUOTE ] No, They dont share any of the components, switchgear or styling from the main-stream range. [ QUOTE ] I'm not anti Japanese cars, used to own a lovely little CRX. But when it comes to character, design racing heritage, pedigree and engineering a Porsche keyring STILL out guns a Nissan one down the pub. [/ QUOTE ] The Porshe keyring outguns a Nissan keyring down the pub, yes. But a "300zx" keyring outguns a "944" keyring down the pub. The trouble with the Porsche image is that unless its a 911 (or derritive) then non enthusiasts are unfortunatly not interested. [ QUOTE ] In 50 years when Nissan, Honda, Mitsubishi and Toyota have their deep pool of racing heritage and technological breakthroughs, that may not be the case especially as by then the performance cars will have their own brand as they will NEVER be able to compete whilst they share the same badge as economy boxes that sell in their millions...call it badge snobbery if you want...it exists [/ QUOTE ] "Z-car Legend - 35 Years of Pedigree From the original 1970 240z to the current 350z" Agree, snobbery is alive and I've been a victem of it for years (owned various Bmw's and Audi's). But then the Jap Import 300zx does'nt carry any Nissan badges, it has its own "Z" branding....and I find most people either dont care/know that its Nissan, and respect the car for what it is - The First Japanese Supercar, with a long Z-car racing pedigree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agoogy Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 No its not the same, A porsche dealership deals with just Porsches (the clue is in the title) and Southampton docks deals with every major Japanese manufacturer and every type of vehicle. Using your theory of seeing 10 Porsche 911's or 944s for evey 300zx is very weak... To take your example further for every member of the Porsche family I see, I see 200+ Nissans.... And to suggest a 300zx uses none of the manufacturers other parts is pure fantasy. True Porsche enthusiasts realise that without the 924,944, Boxster and Cayenne the company would not be around today and most appreciate that like for like the 944t outperformed (on paper)the 911 of its day. The Non enthusiasts are exactly that, they know no more than what they hear.. "oh it has a VW van engine...based on an Audi..." etc which I for one am really pleased about because it means they aren't bothered in trying a car with a Half a 928's V8 engine(ie NOT a Van engine), with 50/50 weight distribution and a LeMans race bred chassis.. 2005 - 1977 = 29 years of heritage not 39...Is this the maths you use to determine a 300zx is better than a 944t?? oh dear.(joke) The 944 has an identical heritage backed up by a further 28 years of performance car creation.... nearly double then.. Only the 240 and 350 are worth taking a 2nd look and like the 944T aren't considered to be supercars, the only Japanese car worth that title is the NSX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VG30DETT Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 [ QUOTE ] 2005 - 1977 = 29 years of heritage not 39...Is this the maths you use to determine a 300zx is better than a 944t?? oh dear.(joke) [/ QUOTE ] I said 1970 - 2005 - Thats 35 Years. Its been a long time since I was at school, but pretty sure thats correct ! [ QUOTE ] The 944 has an identical heritage backed up by a further 28 years of performance car creation.... nearly double then.. [/ QUOTE ] Nobody argues the Porsche heritage, but you were making out that the Nissan had none. [ QUOTE ] Only the 240 and 350 are worth taking a 2nd look and like the 944T aren't considered to be supercars, the only Japanese car worth that title is the NSX. [/ QUOTE ] The 300zx has proven many a times its superiority to the slower, cheaper 350z. The 350z is just a rival for the boxter. The 300zx has always been described my the motoring press as the original Japanese Supercar, but disagree if you prefer. Its interesting that you note the identical performning NSX as a supercar though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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