NewNiceMrMe Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 We all know one. The guy who thinks his car will beat anything out there. If an Enzo came up behind him, he'd lose it with ease. Well, some of you will recall yesterday that a colleague had bought a Volvo S60 T5. We were talking about his new car today (he's a realist, not a dreamer) when the company b*llsh*tter decided to join in. This guy, who's about 25-27 I think, has done it all. He probably climbed Everest with no oxygen and with a donkey strapped to his back. The problem is, everyone knows what a d*ckhead he is and he's just laughed at behind his back. Well that changed today - to a more public humiliation. He butted in to our conversation and told my colleague that instead of buying the S60 T5 he should have bought the V70 T5-R (the 300bhp model). Thats all well, but £35k for a 2 tonne farm-clad machine with lots of bhp compared to a £9k S60 T5 is a bit different. But, he went on to say why: "I was out in my Dad's T5-R the other day and some **** in a Porsche Boxster 3.2S came flying up behind me. Right I thought, lets show this dick what my (bearing in mind it is actually his Dads) car can do I thought. I didn't even need to cog it down out of 3rd. I was doing 60 and floored it. A half mile up the road he had disappeared - murdered him"....he says. Now I bit. I'm not a fan of Boxsters but I do know that the power to weight ratio and overall performance comparison between these two cars meant a number of things: 1 - the Porsche wasn't in sight because it had long since overtaken him. 2 - he had actually dreamt it all 3 - the Porsche had been the unfortunate victim of alien abduction 4 - the Porsche driver was sat p*ssing him/herself laughing at the fact this Volvo thought it'd easily burn them away Hence, I said "Why do you spout rubbish like this all the time?" Silence Then he says "I did, seriously, they're as slow as f**k them 3.2S's you know" My reply "You are full of it. The Porsche obviously wasn't even trying and whilst your Dads Volvo has 300bhp this building we're in weighs less. Go away and try to impress to someone else." Silence and the conversation frittered out as he then passed compliments to my colleague about how nice his S60 T5 looked for £9k....you know the kind of frittering out I mean...change the subject crap... So, was I too harsh. Was he full of it? Surely, T5-R or not, the Boxster would p*ss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32North Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 I know they T5Rs are quick but a 3.2S is a nippy bit of kit and I'd put my money on the Box. V70R - 300 BHP, 0-62 in 5.9secs Box 32S - 280 BHP, 0-62 in 5.5 secs Hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby_simon Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Anyone got the in gear times ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Anyone got the in gear times ? [/ QUOTE ] I think that's pretty important... Figures aren't THAT far apart you know and lets face it taking into account driver ability, gear selection etc.... From the way it looks on paper I don't think the Boxster would 'murder' the vulva. I mean look at the specs on my '4 - 460+BHP. Windy roads in Buxton I couldn't thrash the S3s. I was faster than them* whenever I got a straight bit but even so I don't think they were 'murdered'. *yer yer yer got overtaken by a diesel too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Power to weight is as follows: Volvo = 175 bhp per tonne Porsche -= 205 bhp per tonne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 That ain't an awful lot of difference really. I mean yer obviously one will be quicker...especially the longer the stretch of road. I mean what's the power to weight difference between my '4 and an m3 then? I certainly couldn't 'murder' m3s although I could certainly outrun them. Mind you I discovered the trick when being 'enthusiastic' with an S3 behind you was to keep them at about 50 miles an hour - they didn't have a feckin clue which gear to be in - top of 2nd or bottom of 3rd In the 4 you've got a fair bit of 2nd left @ 50 so you CAN murder them for a micro-bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby_simon Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Just found this via Google http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=28509&page=1 And the poster is comparing to an RS4 and comments that the volly feels quicker in 3rd at the top !!! [ QUOTE ] The RS's 3rd gear performance also felt a bit weaker compared to my R but given the specs I'm not surprised because my R makes higher torque in midrange. The main difference was that the RS just pulled without fuzz while my R's engine shows a bit more peaking behavior in midrange and makes you believe it is running at the top of it's capabilities. The RS kept pulling to the 7000 rpm redline while my R loses momentum above 6000 RPM [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Mac, what's the '4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hmm, well lets be honest he would never "murder" the 3.2S - no matter what. He did actually say it was on the A19 - a good decent road - so we're talking smooth straight road, long sweeping bends, nothing challenging - and over 1/2 mile he said! Even if the figures showed me to be wrong, if you met this guy you would soon discover why there is no way I am ever going to go to him and say "Hey, you might have been right, you horrible little b*****d". I could never say "My Dad's car....." anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 My ex RS4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 0-60 in 4.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 wasn't it? : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Power to weight, RS4 and M3: RS4 : 233 bhp per tonne M3 : 218 bhp per tonne Based on the slightly heavy convertible (mine, cos I knew the figure already so it was easier to do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 [ QUOTE ] 0-60 in 4.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 wasn't it? : [/ QUOTE ] Yep Dude mine was running 460BHP plus, not 380, so the gap was even bigger. For one 'quick' car to 'murder' another it needs a big clear road and a long run I would have thought. That's my experience anyways. I mean if you compared some videos from our Buxton meets I could certainly destroy the little A3 turbos and the like @ 150/180BHP but I could only REALLY get away from the S3s on a straight bit - and they were about 225bhp. Same with M3s. I've raced them - or rather they always seemed up for racing me Off the lights or on a straight run (on a motorway for example) I could out run them....on a windy road? Prob'ly not, unless it was wet I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 ....same thing with Dave's RS6. When he first got that we 'compared' them....erm.....yeah. video. McDonalds Bin. Don't ask But anyway his was 444BHP, mine about 460 and lighter...still feck all difference. If I remember rightly I *slightly* was getting away on a long run but tbh we were running out of runway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 See, 460bhp...I have an inherent distrust of all Audi's now. If you went by the average on here, there isn't a standard Audi left on the bloody roads! You'd pull away of course, but I'd suggest you'd pull away quite quickly too. That is a huge power to weight difference and on even the shortest of straights the difference would be noticeable. I am getting more tempted by these RS6 Estate Wagon Truck Ugly things ever day. I have to stop coming here. My wife will sue for losses due to changing tastes my the minute. 460bhp on yours, 512bhp on Dave's, what do Audi do in the factory?? Not bother tuning em!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 It's perspective too. If I was in front I'd be thinking 'blimey, not pulling away from him as fast I thought'....but then when I spoke to the guy in the S3 behind me it was 'feck me, where'd you go'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Ahh yes, had that before. A chipped Vauxhall Astra Turbo, standard 197 bhp with a power to weight giving it 160bhp - but chipped to the size of Jupiter with an increased power to weight giving it 205bhp. Didn't last long of course. Anyway, 60...accelerated. Looked in mirror, hmm, he's still there. Continued, still there. However, talked to him and he said from his viewpoint I was pulling away easily and the only time he caught was when I braked...which was also of course when you look in rear view to see how you're doing...so yes, I know what you mean. His car died a fews month later apparently. Took it a stage further and...BANG. I'm going to watch out or these S3's now too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Chipped S3 is about 260...Mine was about 275 ish but had the exhaust too. Was a rapid, well handling car. If a bit 'inert' in feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 I have just decided to fake an interest for a test drive. Won't be buying, but may as well visit a few dealers and take one of each out! What better way to see what I think. Let me get this right though, the RS4 and 6 are now out of productin awaiting the new model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Yep. RS4 was a limited production run whereas I think they made a lot more of the '6. Still an 'end of line' run-out model though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Ok. I see an RS6 most days too. I've only really noticed it in the past few weeks since seeing comments on here, although I did of course know about them beforehand - but thought it was more torque and load power than speed. Next time I see him I'm going to have a go. He's a careful driver I've noticed, so I might have to tempt him to show me what it'll do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Now I'm not waving anything now, but I've played quite seriously with 2 E46 M3s and both eventually pulled over and out of the way on motorways. Of course I waved and grinned as I went past and then slowed to more sensible speeds. I'm not saying a tweaked S3 is faster, rather that they were probably being complacent and MAYBE weren't using their gears as wisely as they could. Likewise the Alpina B3 3.3 the other day which I was visibly eating into as it tried to pull away. I think the point is that turbocharged Audis are very elastic cars with a lot of tuning potential. Its so easy to forget the S3 is only a 1.8 and lets make no mistake, a tuned S3 is very, very quick between say 70-120+ Its also fun believe it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Next time I see him I'm going to have a go. He's a careful driver I've noticed, so I might have to tempt him to show me what it'll do. [/ QUOTE ] You should have the edge tbh, especially if it's anywhere other than a straight road. However, one of the big advantages of the RS6 is that the vast majority of road users don't expect a big, relatively unremarkable (not ugly, please ) estate to suddenly disappear over the horizon. I have found this even more common since i took the badges off mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 So I am learning. I'll be sticking with my mobile tent M3 but I'm interested in seeing what the Audi's do. Just puzzles me how they leave so much more to be gotten out of the engines. Can't do em too much good mind you, chipped to high heaven? Must suffer in other respects surely? Anyway, I might have to see that AA Supercharger that is now available in action.....440bhp on an E46 M3....ooooo....and supposedly evil mid range times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Anyway, I might have to see that AA Supercharger that is now available in action [/ QUOTE ] aha, so your car is really battery operated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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