Botang Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Is crap How many more times do I have to waste a sunday watching this utter rubbish until I realise it is poo. For anyone that watched it today please can you post below any overtaking manouvres that occurred in race conditions (not pitstops) excluding the first lap. I am actually struggling to remember 1 overtaking manouvre. If anyones interested I am planning on selling the TV rights to my next scalextric race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorburn Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 I think the big problem today was that circuit is absolutely dire, why they go there every year is simply beyond me! I'm an avid F1 fan and have quite enjoyed this season but today was pretty bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omi Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 That's why MotoGP is so very, very stunning. - Lead can change 3 times a lap, spectacular accidents, characters, rivalry, no commercial breaks and commentators with a clue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 The Hungaroring is bloddy rubbish, to narrow and dusty to overtake and it's a procession every year. But were off to the good tracks after the 3 week break. Turkey, Monza and Spa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 I've watched very little F1 this year. I haven't watched a complete race yet and I'm unlikely to do so. I now find it uninteresting - but not because of the race tracks. It's the drivers. Where have all the personalities gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted July 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 I watched the Moto GP as well and yes its good fun but the fact that they can get so close and effectively only have to gain a few feet advantage to make a pass will always lend itself to good overtaking. I am or at least have been an F1 fan for many years, but its just got worse and worse. I feel they need to address the aerodynamics regulations this season ready for next year. The teams seem to be doing everything they can to disturb the airflow for the car behind, maybe if they could put some control parts on the rear of the cars they may be able to get close enough to overtake. Thinking back I think it has never been as good since refulling came into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorburn Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 [ QUOTE ] It's the drivers. Where have all the personalities gone? [/ QUOTE ] Sponsors want to see them presenting the right image so they are all very restrained. Coulthard has a new lease of life now hes at Red Bull though and seems pretty straight talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 I think the days of James Hunt, going into an ambulance with the track organisers wife, and breaking the springs are long gone. As Thorburn said, Sponsors want a clean image so the out-spokenness has all but disappeard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_m Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Well quite a few passed Montoya Today was pretty crap, the most memorable part was both Red Bull cars crashing out within seconds of the start! and what is this about Barichello being replaced by Massa next season has Schumacher forced them to bring in a driver that would never be able to challenge him?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 I think it's more to do with the fact that Barrichello was a bit peeved over the way Michael overtook him at Monaco, but I can't see the problem as the racing doesn't finish till the chequered flag. But it may do him good to be in a team that gives equal treatment, rather then been the lapdog in a one sided team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_m Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 I just dont get the "massa" decision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 it made me laugh today - so much fuss made about F1 technology and playing with the rules to make it more of a spectacle and then they stick with circuits that allow no overtaking. Move #1 should be that no circuit is allowed that doesnt offer plenty of overtaking opportunities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I just dont get the "massa" decision! [/ QUOTE ] I don't either as he's an erratic, over-rated driver. But Ferrari's main target is Raikkonen who's contract is up in 2006, so an ideal number two prahaps? Sorry 1B driver in Ferrari speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagus Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 hungary has always been a crap track .damon hill nearly won there in an arrows because JV couldn't get past him until he broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 I think was more down to the fact that Damon drove off into the distance, and JV only won becuase a seal went on the hydraylics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorburn Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I think was more down to the fact that Damon drove off into the distance, and JV only won becuase a seal went on the hydraylics. [/ QUOTE ] Indeed, Hill was so far ahead of Villeneuve that he coasted almost half the lap before the Canadian caught him up, and he was far enough ahead of third (Schumacher iirc) to coast round to finish second. Also, Hill managed to pass Schumachers Ferrari into turn 1 early on in the race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Massa is rubbish - BMW don't want him next year. Barichello wants a competitive drive, so is courting BAR. Button will end up staying at BAR and Williams will use Honda engines. Allegedly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Without going over old ground, F1 (today) just isn't that exciting for the punters. With all the health and safety issues, a true sport has been dulled down and it's too safe. I remember as a kid the excitement was the crashes and all the hustle, bumping and jossling of overtaking. I therefore tend to be less interested these days as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorburn Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 One of the main factors is that the drivers simply don't make mistakes, I've got the entire 1995 season on my PC and its brilliant, there are races where Schumacher, Hill, Coulthard and all the other front runners throw it away under pressure and that simply doesn't happen anymore. Dunno if its a case of the cars being easier to drive or drivers simply being better now (although seems unlikely that the likes of Massa is better than Schumacher was in 1995) but it takes away a lot of the excitment. They need early 90's style aero packages mixed with 2002 spec engines, slick tyres and no traction control or other driver aids, that would sort the men from the boys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 The problem with todays F1 cars is that too much of it's downforce is created from the upper surfaces, rather then using it's floor to suck it to the ground. Take the new areo regulations for example, they started off by removing 20-30% of the downforce. But now they are reporting to be about 5-10% off the grip levels of last year, as the cars sprout more winglets on the sidepods, and then this creates yet more dirty air and they can't get near to get a tow and pass. People said that Mansells lap records in the jaw dropping, hi-tech 1992 Williams will never be beaten, along with Keke Rosbergs average speed around a track which was set in the 80's, and those records have been smashed in the last few years. It shows that the development is relentless and that the cars are easier to drive, but the g-forces in the high speed corners are huge. Traction control is an evil aid in Formula one, as it gets out out of so much trouble (well not at a wet spa, or if you get a corner like 130R all wrong in the dry) and it should be banned. But of course you will get throttle control programes sprouting up and them teams will have legal ways of controling the traction of the rear wheels, so it's a no win situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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