Chris_B Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Being (mostly) car enthusiasts, and (mostly) intelligent, I'd appreciate the TSN collective's opinion. I've been offered a brilliant Black 2.5 TDI allroad Limited Edition (180PS, DVD nav, tinted windows) for what amounts to £30200 - £7700 PX on an A2 1.6 FSI SE (Glass' valued at £8300 in 'excellent' condition, but would need an MOT and a scuffed wheel fix to qualify as 'excellent') and £22500 actual money. The allroad's OTR is £32795 (it's got heated seats), so I'm effectively being offered £2595 off, which is just under 8% of list. I wanted parking sensors, which the car in stock doesn't have, so I might ask them to fit a front and rear set in that price. Should I be cheeky and ask for a Nokia 616 phone kit while I'm at it? What does the collective think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdiesel Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 If Lincoln are like York then they may be struggling to hit there 3rd quarter target (end Sept). Knowing the relationship you have with them, im suprised that they are not doing alittle more for you. Having said that the deal isnt bad, and the Allroad is a great bit of kit. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 I know I always keep banging on about Drivethedeal but a 2.5 Tdi Allroad Quattro Limited Edition is being offered with a 10% discount with similar discounts levels being offered on options. Phone prep and front/rear parking sensors are £915 (list price). That on top of your £2585 is equivalent to a £3500 discount. However if you take into account they're offering less for your A2 (£600 less for the sake of a £100 for an MOT and a wheel refurb) then this brings it to around £3000. I would definitely push for the phone prep and parking sensors if they won't move on the figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Has Allroad production ended now? So it could be the last of them, and as such might depreciate a bit quicker???? Or not - if they don't replace it!!! Should get a better deal on the run-out models though....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 There is a replacement coming. There have been loads of limited editions available 6 months old for around £25k and a few on '54 plates for nearer £22k. I was considering one myself, but thought sod it and got an A6 avant instead, as I knew I could get another fun car too then. Have you had a hunt round, or do you only want new? Oh I advertised my A2 last week on autotrader and sold it same day over the phone for full asking price, and had 11 people waiting to hear if it definitely sold. So sell that privately you will get rid of it straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Chris, I'd expect at least an 8-10% discount as standard (so dealer is really doing you any favours at this point)... And as Gizze points out, the replacement is pretty close, so the new-carness of it is going to be very temporary! I'm a fan of brilliant black too, but apparently its harder to sell than metallic/pearl black. Guess cost isn't that relevant as you're buying new, but I'd be tempted to try and get another £1000 or so at least in gestures.... whether parking sensors, phone kits or free services/maintenance packs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 30k for the 'old shape' allroad just seems insane. Early, high mileage examples are already available from just 10k - a sure sign of the epic depreciation to follow, the first few thousand of which will be driving off the forecourt. Huge heavy quattro car with fat tyres gives the allroad chronic mpg for a diesel - remember Daz saying he averaged around 34 mpg in his! Speed wise, I'd be surprised if the 180 V6 allroad it is much - if any - quicker than say a PD 140 Sportback. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Yes, but allroads are nice cars Ian! and theres more to life than MPG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gren Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Yep Allroads are nice but I'd expect 8% or so off a new model Audi. Lots are getting these sort of discounts off the A3, I know we did! Would have thought £5k or so would be nearer the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B Posted September 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Thanks for the input guys. I considered an ex-demo or 2nd-hand one, but I would be pretty set on getting a Limited Edition in black (looks great with the tints), and it must be Tiptronic, which kind of narrows the choices. On Audi's used car search, 10,000 milers are listing for around £28k. I've been told that the new allroad will be out next summer, but used values for the Limited Edition may hold up because being a new model, the new allroad will be light on content in the base model and once folks see a price with the options they want, a low-mileage 2nd-user one begins to look a little more attractive. But then, I can see ex-demo new models being available this time next year with big chunks of list price gone, and demos are often pretty good on extras. Perhaps I should just flip a coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B Posted September 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 How's that for timing? Just missed a call from the dealer while posting that (mobile on quiet). It's now been polished up and put in the showroom, no doubt to push me into buying it before anyone else does. Might have to pop round and try to wring the sensors and a phone kit out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/car...rch_full=SEARCH There you go, loads on there, print out the spec and use as a bargining tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 That 2004 at £22.5k has been advertised for months now, so they are obviously not moving that quickly. Beat them down on price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Yes, but allroads are nice cars Ian! and theres more to life than MPG! [/ QUOTE ] God Audi allroads are very nice indeed - interior of Daz's V6 TDi was gorgeous. The C5 chassis might be old but it still looks fresh today. The RS6 Avant will be very high on my shopping list if the epic depreciation continues and helps me out! Reference the mpg, I'd take a used 2.7 Turbo to AmD and let them do their thing. Yes I really did say that. Despite growing up on the darkside, I'd take a petrol. Just seems like a lot of money considering you sold the monster RS6 for not much more. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B Posted September 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Just seems like a lot of money considering you sold the monster RS6 for not much more. [/ QUOTE ] Heh, you have a better memory than me than, I can't remember what the RS 6 went for - somewhere in the £40k region? Anyway, the RS 6 was bought through my company, so my personal pocket didn't have to bear the maintenance and servicing costs, which on an RS 6 are impressive to say the least. This is a replacement for the wife's car, which comes from my own personal pocket. She doesn't do many miles, and it's mostly town, so I know the MPG will be pretty shocking for a diesel, but the good thing is that it won't really hurt so much as there's only so much diesel you can burn in under 5000 miles a year. I reckon it's going to cost another £100 a year in insurance as it's a group 16 over the A2's group 6 (plus the higher value insured), and probably somewhere in the region of £300 to £400 a year in extra fuel. Servicing might cost a bit more, but it's not going to need it's first service for two years, and that will only be a lube service as it won't have done many miles by then. I can live with another £1000 over two years, I think. I pushed the deal a bit harder, and I'm now looking at 9% off of the total price, and it will have reversing sensors professionally fitted by the 3rd-party company who did the CARK-91 in my Nokia and the S8 before that, and their work has always been top-notch in the past. I suppose it's an OK deal, given that Tip allroads are in shorter supply than manual ones. I could have saved some depreciation by buying used, but I always have new cars and I had a last-minute guilt trip at the thought of making the missus have 2nd-hand. Just some insurance to sort out, and I'm planning on surprising her with it on Saturday by telling her the dealer want to evaluate the A2 for part-ex, getting her in the allroad to have another look at it and handing her the keys. Hopefully her reaction will be the one I'm hoping for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just seems like a lot of money considering you sold the monster RS6 for not much more. [/ QUOTE ] Heh, you have a better memory than me than, I can't remember what the RS 6 went for - somewhere in the £40k region? ... I reckon it's going to cost another £100 a year in insurance as it's a group 16 over the A2's group 6 (plus the higher value insured), and probably somewhere in the region of £300 to £400 a year in extra fuel. Servicing might cost a bit more, but it's not going to need it's first service for two years, and that will only be a lube service as it won't have done many miles by then. I can live with another £1000 over two years, I think. [/ QUOTE ] Thought your dealer offered you a fixed trade in for the RS6 for October 2004 when the 6.0 D3 was set to arrive? Thought you got around 35k for it which did seem bloody low but hassle-free stealer px so I why would I question it? Oh and reference £1000 a year extra running costs, don't forget to factor in over 10k depreciation over the first 24 months! This fact scares me right off. Glass's have the TDi V6 180 down as just under 20k trade for a 2003 '53' with only 20k on the clock. With a new model coming out, the first 24 months depreciation figure isn't going to get any better. Scary! Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B Posted September 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Oh, was it as low as £35k? Oh well, it was hassle-free and the car had done over 60,000 miles in just under two years, which at the time was high milage for RS 6s (I guess more high-milers exist now because second-hand owners don't fear the depreciation curve so much from where they start on it), and it was the less-valuable saloon. I know the depreciation is a hidden cost that catches up when it becomes time to move it on, but I just accept that as an unavoidable cost of buying new. I'll either trade it in again in two years and eat the cost, or I might even aim to hang on to it and buy a 2-seater in a few years, and keep the allroad longer-term for load-hauling and winter use. You can't expect somebody with my track record with cars to show any financial sense when it comes to shiny 4-wheeled things, can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 [ QUOTE ] You can't expect somebody with my track record with cars to show any financial sense when it comes to shiny 4-wheeled things, can you? [/ QUOTE ] Nice line! Sounds familiar too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You can't expect somebody with my track record with cars to show any financial sense when it comes to shiny 4-wheeled things, can you? [/ QUOTE ] Nice line! Sounds familiar too! [/ QUOTE ] Cannot believe I missed your reply yesterday. At leastyour are honest! To be fair if you can why the hell not. You clearly have business roots laid and plenty of assets already paying for the Audis. Guess that is it - 15k in my eyes buys a low mileage, late model B5 S4 Avant. That would do me just fine! Audi depreciation over the first 3 years from new is something I simply cannot fund at this early stage in my life cycle - scares the crap out of me tbh! More in your field - pun not intended - 15k outright buys a loaded 2001 2002 Audi A6 Avant 2.5 TDi 180 quattro Sport Tiptronic with under 60,000 miles. A quick glance on Autotrader shows a 35k, 2003 example for 18k private. Excellent value for money with Audi warranty left. In fact - please forgive me for thinking out loud - how much does you wife love cars? Would you be able to spend the 33k on a black or Mugello RS6 Avant [instead of the new allroad], fit the allroad 5 spokes (or subtle 9 spoke RS6 18s), debage it, plate it to cover the age (something like C5 ALL) before handing the keys to your wife?! Now that would be quality.... Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B Posted September 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Would you be able to spend the 33k on a black or Mugello RS6 Avant [instead of the new allroad], fit the allroad 5 spokes (or subtle 9 spoke RS6 18s), debage it, plate it to cover the age (something like C5 ALL) before handing the keys to your wife?! Now that would be quality.... [/ QUOTE ] Ha ha, now why didn't I think of that? I like your thinking... Seriously, although I could have got an RS 6 with a few miles on it for the money, I know from experience just what amount of servicing the beasts need, and how much fuel they can burn in town traffic. Besides, the few times the wife drove my RS 6, she was being overtaken by boys in Novas because she absolutely refuses to use it properly - how could you subject such a great car to such a distressing life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Besides, the few times the wife drove my RS 6, she was being overtaken by boys in Novas because she absolutely refuses to use it properly - how could you subject such a great car to such a distressing life? [/ QUOTE ] I think I'm glad that my wife won't drive the RS6! I wonder how she'll be with the MR2 - she hasn't driven that since the test drive (mind you, I've only put ~150 miles on it, the odo currently reads a tad over 200). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Ha ha, now why didn't I think of that? I like your thinking... [/ QUOTE ] No worries. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 go for 9/10% accept nothing less, I got £9K off my new A8tdi 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdiesel Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 A8's are subject to completley different margins. Hence the 9K you got off your A8. 6% front end margin on all other models at the moment. Were as the A8 is 12% front end. Back enfd margin depends on the individual dealers contract and how they are performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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