simkna Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 The new EVO magazine popped through the door this am. Contains road test of new Focus ST, and additon of a white GTI to the "Fast Fleet". Si. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Funny that as autoexpress last week they took a white GTI onto there fleet. lol. can you tell there linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Just got mine too . Very odd about the R32's power figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markallain Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Wopps what does the R32 review say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 They rolling roaded the R32 and the bm 130. We have to remember they both only had 1000 miles on the clock, but the bm clocked 250bhp and 230lbs of torque where the golf only clocked 217bhp and 225lbs of torque! very much down on the claimed 247!!! But having said that the golf scored a good 0-60 in 5.8 secs... They gave both cars 4/5 but slightly prefure the 130! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markallain Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Cheers The 130 didn't do it for me when I saw it at Frankfurt. Not sure what is the claimed power output for the 130? Did they make any other interesting comments about the new R? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N3WOB Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Thats sounds odd...such low outout but then that time to 60? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 They say VW have gone soft in its looks including the cabin. It feels more of a luxury cruiser than than the sporting Gti. That is until you turn the key! They don't like the rear exhausts either. I haven't quite finished it yet, but they say it feels more of a front wheel drive car than an all wheel driver, except there is no torque steer. That said it is possible to get it to way its tail... Ill keep you updated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 I wonder if it has something to do with the way rolling roads calculates transmission losses and the way the Haldex system works so it kicks up errors in the calculation. Anyone thats had an older R32 rolling roaded got an idea on this? Rolling roads are not the most accurate or reliable peace of engineering either there just a guide not 100% accurate so i would rather work on how the car feels and performs in the real world, looks like from the performance figures it does ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 I think it could just be the wearing in of the engine. The 3.2 units i think are so tight at the begining... test the car in another 9000 miles and i bet the story is different. Not that it should be like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunner Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 I thought the R32 had a new version of the 4motion. Haldex is the system used on my last car, an Audi 225TTC. If 5.8 sec 0-60 is true for the R32, then I have bought the wrong car! 5.8 sec would require significantly more torque than the R32 can deliver from the factory. If the R32 is that powerful, why then would anyone buy a GTI? Figures do not add up for me. The R32 has a 4 wheel drive system and V6 engine, both of which are very heavy additions to carry on a Golf. As an aside, thankfully the Golf does not resemble a 1 series BMW. Hideous incarnation from a European car manufacturer by an American designer. Mind you, the new TT might have such bizarre styling in mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I thought the R32 had a new version of the 4motion. Haldex is the system used on my last car, an Audi 225TTC. [/ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure your Audi had the Quattro Torsen 4wd system. The R32 uses the Haldex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtec Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Cheers The 130 didn't do it for me when I saw it at Frankfurt. Not sure what is the claimed power output for the 130? [/ QUOTE ] 265bhp @ 6600rpm 232lb/ft @ 2750 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure your Audi had the Quattro Torsen 4wd system. The R32 uses the Haldex [/ QUOTE ] The A4 uses Torsen, TT, A3 and R32 (golf platform) all use Haldex. I can believe a 5.8 time for the R32, don't get me wrong it would be v.v.lucky, but maybe possible. My manual A3 had 250hp (which is more than the new R32) and the same chassis/Haldex system... take it from me, The DSG GTI felt as quick, if not quicker (in the dry mind). So don't get too phased by whats on the paper. One asset with the GTI, is it felt far more flexible and fun to drive than the A3, and with nano seconds seperating the 0-60 sprint, i know where i'd rather put my money. ...until it rains, then i'll shut up and eat my words ... Damn that AWD was sticky in the wet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure your Audi had the Quattro Torsen 4wd system. The R32 uses the Haldex [/ QUOTE ] The A4 uses Torsen, TT, A3 and R32 (golf platform) all use Haldex. [/ QUOTE ] that'll teach me to try and be clever this late on a Saturday night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 only know cause i got many times on the subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 I blame the Leffe Blonde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 The MK4 and MK5 R32 produce about 250bhp and 320Nm from very low rev`s... its quite possible to get under 6`s for the 0-60mph sprint but its very difficult due to its gearing... if the 2nd gear was a tag higher you could reach 60mph in 2nd... this would produce under 6`s.... but on the MK4 you had to change to 3rd.... this is where the time is lost..... If the new R32`s 2nd gear has been lengthened or the car which was tested had a very worn gearbox it is possible..... Remember eventhough the Haldex system and Engine add more weight its the way the R32 puts the power and torque down on the road that makes the difference... Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 I know my golf has been modified but when I test drove the Gti it felt quite a lot slower than the R, maybe this is due to the throttle response or maybe it is quicker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I know my golf has been modified but when I test drove the Gti it felt quite a lot slower than the R, maybe this is due to the throttle response or maybe it is quicker... [/ QUOTE ]Naaaa its due to the turbo lag.... the R32 pulls cleanly and smoothly right from idle..... My R32 was faultless when it came to performace (after the ecu update)..... im sure it would have seen the otherside of 160mph with ease! Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 I didn't really think the gti had much turbo lag. In fact it felt completely smooth in its delivery... It felt quick, but not rapid and brutal in acceleration... The 4 wheeldrive helps to you can easily get power down anywhere and instantly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I didn't really think the gti had much turbo lag. In fact it felt completely smooth in its delivery... It felt quick, but not rapid and brutal in acceleration... The 4 wheeldrive helps to you can easily get power down anywhere and instantly... [/ QUOTE ]Perhaps the torque is more neutral in the GTi compared to my old S3..... you cant really beat the R32 for its cc`s!!!! Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Torque is excellent in both Mk5 GTI & R32. 4WD will obviously help and DSG, when it is available in the new R32, will improve gear changing even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Yes, the test car evo had was fitted with a manual box so it would be interesting to see what the DSG can do, especially when the engine is worn in. Having said that I remember Autocar having a feature on the Gti DSG and said they clocked it to be slower than the manual car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 The clock differences between DSG and Manual versions are so very dependent on a number of road condition/driver factors and are only gnat's arse territory anyway. Surely someone would decide between Manual and DSG for reasons other than such small published differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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