GTIDaddy Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Anyone seen the latest edition of Auto Express? The GTI only narrowly looses out to the Focus ST in Auto Express's opinion (on value for money). It confirmed what I thought about the VXR, i'm still very happy about my GTI order (arriving on March 1st as a 06 plate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Just finished reading the review. I like how they said "After driving the GTI for 1800 miles we couldn't come up with any bad points - so if you think we're nit picking by criticising the look of the black section of the bumper, it's the best we could do!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chins Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I read it and am glad I've sold my GTI for the VXR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimad Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 The review in Evo magazine of the new Focus ST is very interesting too, but it ends with this gem: [ QUOTE ] just when you want it to throw off its sensible shoes and goad you in to really going for it, the ST gets a little sulky, a little detached. The Golf GTI remains the benchmark. [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentandy Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I read it and am glad I've sold my GTI for the VXR. [/ QUOTE ] Having read all the reviews I would personally be having doubts in your position. If the GTI wasn't an option I would go for the ST over the VXR any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vman Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Its best to test drive each car to be honest for yourself, I loved the GTI when I drove it, but am holding out to test drive the VXR for myself, I do hope its good as I don't get employee discount off the Golf . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 IF you prefer the GTI when you have driven both, does that mean you won't get the GTI just because you don't get employee discount? If you prefer the VXR that's fair enough but if you prefer the GTI then go for it!....Enjoy life while you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Must say i have never agreed with the motoring press bias opinions of cars and often prefered the ones they suppose hated at the time when they were new, but sometimes they change there minds when they talk about the same cars secondhand a few years down the track and do a 100 degree turn about on there original views on them I wonder why that is lol. The GTI is a good car but not 100% perfect and i can pick more faults than just the back bumper. Rear vision is one as is the huge doors on the 3 door if parking in small parking spaces at supermarkets getting in and out is not easy, excess tyre noise on some road surfaces, Some cheap plastics on parts of the interior, alloys without a rim protector or tyres without the same, just to name a few and i can come up with far more, and i bet after a few years all these coments creap up in reviews in magazines and more. I have never been a fan of Fords but must say in resent years they have come on leaps and bounds and i do find the ST in more sedate colours quite interesting especially due to the 5 pot noise and availabe as a 5 door. The astra im not too sure of myself mainly the looks still not sure but i guess different strokes for different fokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMB Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Er, alloys without rim protectors!? no alloy has a rim protector, either it has an edge for knock on weights or it uses stick on weights. Tyres can have rim protectors , not alloys, the cars with bridgestone tyres have some rim protection, mine does, but it really won't stop it if you do drive into the kerb. If you wanted smaller doors you could have had a 5 door. No car is perfect , it's a trade off, if hyou want handling, grip and traction you end up with wider tyres, = noise , it's hardly a failing of the GTI, just of cars with wider/low profile tyres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 [ QUOTE ] and availabe as a 5 door. [/ QUOTE ] So is the Golf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Er, alloys without rim protectors!? no alloy has a rim protector, either it has an edge for knock on weights or it uses stick on weights. Tyres can have rim protectors , not alloys, the cars with bridgestone tyres have some rim protection, mine does, but it really won't stop it if you do drive into the kerb. [/ QUOTE ] Your correct i ment was a rim on the alloy, As that helps reduce the HUGE marks that others have shown already on here with alloys that don't have it. Also some tires have rim protectors. [ QUOTE ] If you wanted smaller doors you could have had a 5 door. No car is perfect , [/ QUOTE ] As i said I could pick more faults than the magazine simply could not find i was comenting on the magazine review here and what they said. The doors are huge and thick on the 3 door worse than some rivals and so harder to get out of in small spaces. Oh and i know you can get a 5 door i have one . No car is perfect your correct but some things would be so simple to cure but they never seem to do it. [ QUOTE ] it's a trade off, if hyou want handling, grip and traction you end up with wider tyres, = noise , it's hardly a failing of the GTI, just of cars with wider/low profile tyres. [/ QUOTE ] Actually thats an often misunderstood subject but i will not go into that here.. Noise has many more factors than just the tire width. NVH, suspension design, body design, noise supression etc etc etc. Thats why not all cars with the same make, model of tyre have the same interior noise or even same frequency Hz of noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] and availabe as a 5 door. [/ QUOTE ] So is the Golf [/ QUOTE ] Sorry to have confused you i was comenting on how the ST was also available as a 5 door as well as the GTI as been a good thing were as some of its rivals as discussed in that review ie Corrola and VXR are only 3 door. My bad wording of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vman Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 RedRobin What I was trying to say is I hope I like the VXR Astra more as I get discount, but to be honest I think my mind is made up and its going to be the GTI for the simple fact it has the DSG gear box, which I cannot get over how good it is. I have been working out how much more it would cost for the R32!!, but my limit is 25k. And like you said enjoy life while you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mu71rd Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 why not import an R32? I think you can get it for 21.5k from Select Automotive (there's a thread about them going on) - and all the options will be significantly less. Add 850 for DSG, and most other options are heavily reduced (up to 60% off) my GTi is coming from them, and am in the last week or two of waiting. A couple of us on here have cars coming from them. I don't work for them by the way - but it was by people talkign about them on this forum that I heard about them, and subsequently cancelled an order I had and made one with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Oh dear!! I wish you hadn't said that mu! I find that the new R32 keeps preying on my mind and I know that I would defo consider it in the future. It's the 4WD and V6 sound which so attracts me but I don't like the extra cost, the alloys, or its exhaust styling as much as my (modified rear) GTI. Importing would significantly help the cost. At the end of the day I really love what I've got and I'll just keep an open mind. There's always something 'bigger'/'better' available. My liquid cooled dual processor Mac has just been superceded by a new dual core version! I don't need it and I'm very lucky to have what I have....A roof over my head and food in my belly and no need to work any more. Mu, didn't you lose your deposit when you cancelled with VW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mu71rd Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 well I didn't actually have the order with VW, but with another importer (allbrandsnew), so I only lost £250. The VW dealer was so rubbish that I didn't even make a second visit. Had a look at the options list at Select yesterday whilst I was typign that post, and even I was wondering why I didn't add things like leather/18s/xenons (£1000/£300/£600). But then I remembered I had a budget to stick to..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotw Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 You've got to watch that options list....I didn't have a budget but once I'd added over £3500 (at UK prices) I thought I'd gone far enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimad Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Some good reviews of both the Astra VXR and the Focus ST on the Parkers website. They appear to dislike the Astra for the usual reasons (too much power, not enough control), but think that the ST is a very, very good car... Oh, and as with all Parkers reviews they have tons of really good photos of the cars -- inside, outside, close-up details, etc. Astra VXR Review Focus ST Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Niemad....Very comprehensive. I still don't like the styling inside or outside of either car over the GTI but each to their own of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chins Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Some good reviews of both the Astra VXR and the Focus ST on the Parkers website. They appear to dislike the Astra for the usual reasons (too much power, not enough control), but think that the ST is a very, very good car... Oh, and as with all Parkers reviews they have tons of really good photos of the cars -- inside, outside, close-up details, etc. Astra VXR Review Focus ST Review [/ QUOTE ] Maybe I'm missing something, but this is how they sum up the VXR [ QUOTE ] The VXR badge is finally applied to perhaps the most important model within the Vauxhall line-up, going head to head with the Golf GTi and the forthcoming Ford Focus ST. It builds upon the undeniable good looks of the Sport Hatch with a more pronounced bodykit, a central exhaust tailpipe and big chunky alloy wheels. It's party piece is bountiful, exuberant thrust courtesy of its turbocharged engine. It is a very fast car although it takes concentration to drive it to its maximum potential. The Golf GTi is more mature in it's behaviour but not as quick - in a straight line at least. There's plenty to like about the VXR if you don't mind a bit of unruliness. [/ QUOTE ] Hardly not liking it I want something a bit unrully and not soft like the GTI, but as everyone says, its each to their own. I'm not into scones and cream teas whereas the you can spot many a GTI at the vicarage in the afternoon parked up for theirs Got to buy my burbery at the weekend, but I've bought my VXR for nearly 4k less than my old MKV GTI, so I can afford it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 ....It's Burberry not burbery. Burberry and the VXR do match each other rather well don't they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chins Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 [ QUOTE ] ....It's Burberry not burbery. Burberry and the VXR do match each other rather well don't they. [/ QUOTE ] I'm getting into character before I get the car. I have to forget Ive a Masters Degree and forget how to spell. As you can c I'm adapting raver well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 ....Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chins Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 [ QUOTE ] ....It's Burberry not burbery. Burberry and the VXR do match each other rather well don't they. [/ QUOTE ] What I should of said. Slightly worrying that you know the correct spelling for the brand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Aren't Burberry check seats an option on the GTi??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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