Golfer Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Well I've herd it all now, this government is implimenting strict control of speed limits on motorways, wait for it "TO HELP STOP GLOBAL WARMING" what a load of Bo***ks, slow the traffic and it spends MORE time churning out polution not less. This "nanny state" is going to cut off it's nose to spite it's face soon. We the motorist one day will say we are not going to buy new cars (powerful or not) that are fitted with speed restricting/or INFORMING boxs. This will put the boot in the economy as the motorist contributs a huge amount of revenue into the system. Can you emagine the french putting up with this, no chance. Lest we forget the price of oil has FALLEN, has the price of petrol/diesel?, not much, still above 90Pence/litre. We are now accepting 90+ per litre. It will remain there now you see. Rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjfr Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 I don't give two flying fu*ks about global warming. Does that mean I can speed?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 hmmmm... so a strict speed limit on our alredy congested, traffic jammed, road coned, potholed fabulous road system. Just someone else trying to be seen to do their job.... making noise, without actually doing anything useful. Or implementing things for the sake of it. Kind of sums this government up really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 [ QUOTE ] what a load of Bo***ks, slow the traffic and it spends MORE time churning out polution not less. [/ QUOTE ] Agree it's all bollocks (speed limits were in place well before global warming was an issue, it's an excuse to police them more vigorously and raise more revenue). However you can't deny that a car doing 90mph is doing less miles per gallon than one at 70mph. Therefore irrespective of time on the road, a car traveling at 70mph for 30 miles doing 30mpg (one gallon) is burning more fuel (thus creating more pollution) than one doing 90mph and 25mpg (a gallon in 25 miles so a bit more to do 30 miles) therefore using more fuel over that 30 miles despite covering them faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] what a load of Bo***ks, slow the traffic and it spends MORE time churning out polution not less. [/ QUOTE ] Agree it's all bollocks (speed limits were in place well before global warming was an issue, it's an excuse to police them more vigorously and raise more revenue). However you can't deny that a car doing 90mph is doing less miles per gallon than one at 70mph. Therefore irrespective of time on the road, a car traveling at 70mph for 30 miles doing 30mpg (one gallon) is burning more fuel (thus creating more pollution) than one doing 90mph and 25mpg (a gallon in 25 miles so a bit more to do 30 miles) therefore using more fuel over that 30 miles despite covering them faster. [/ QUOTE ] I think they should put more time and effort into sorting the Americans out... after all who are the biggest polluters on the planet!!! and what is their speed limit?? hmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Sometimes faster uses less fuel .... I travel to work on the M27 which is a very congested motorway in the rush hour with lots of stop-start driving. In my S4 I average about 18mpg most days, and 22 miles takes me about 35 minutes. However, during the school holidays and half terms there is MUCH less traffic on the motorway and I rarely slow down below 60mph, then I average nearly 25mpg and the journey takes about 20 minutes. P.S. The effect of road transport on global warming is infinitessimally small. Don't forget that in the 11th Century southern England was as warm as it is today, but in the 17th Century it was so cold they used to hold fairs on the frozen River Thames. Global warming is a natural cyclical event that was happening long before mankind started creating any atmospheric emissions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Sometimes faster uses less fuel .... I travel to work on the M27 which is a very congested motorway in the rush hour with lots of stop-start driving. In my S4 I average about 18mpg most days, and 22 miles takes me about 35 minutes. However, during the school holidays and half terms there is MUCH less traffic on the motorway and I rarely slow down below 60mph, then I average nearly 25mpg and the journey takes about 20 minutes. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, because you're in stop start traffic! Drive your car at 50mph in top steady speed and check your MPG. Then try it at 80mph... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Well for the M4 users between jun:14 and 18, these new speed limits are IMPLIMENTED now, anyone caught ( by there camara vans)over the limit not just high speeders, will get done, Wiltshire local authority has bought this in so slow down between these juntions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjfr Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Global warming is a natural cyclical event that was happening long before mankind started creating any atmospheric emissions. [/ QUOTE ] Damn straight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Yes, because you're in stop start traffic! Drive your car at 50mph in top steady speed and check your MPG. Then try it at 80mph... [/ QUOTE ] I would if I could - but the point is that's NOT what the real world is like There IS lots of stop-start traffic in the REAL world, so things that are "true" in the "false" world are interesting, but ultimately not what policy decisions should be based upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 But if traffic is holding your speed below 70mph then the speed limit becomes arbitory anyway! It only becomes relevent when it's clear enough that you could be doing 70 or 80 or 90. And then you will be using more fuel at higher speeds than you would have at lower speeds in the real world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 In Switzerland they lower the speed limit in the summer because with very little wind the polution created never leaves the valleys. They are higher for the rest of the year but not summer, and it works. Oh and for good measure if you are further back in a traffic queue than the third car you have to switch off you ignition by law to cut down on polution. All good ideas some might say. Drag is the major factor in how much fuel you use, and typically you use approx 15-20% more cruising at 80-85 than at 70, the matter what you think the fuel computer is telling you. The new police chief is actually all for variable speed limits, oh and cameras to catch tail gaters. So if its 2am and its quite then 80 will be fine, but in very heavy traffic then it might be reduced to 50 to keep a constant traffic flow to help everyone get through faster and there are much less accidents, aka M25 system. Will have to see if they bring any of this out, I doubt it.. costs too much to implement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntW Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Whats the one thing that will improve motorway speeds, reduce stop/start traffic and therefore reduce pollution? Proper driving discipline. If everyone maintained sensible gaps, only used the middle and outside lanes for overtaking, merged properly at junctions and looked ahead. Then motorways would be spot on! Unfortunately the average driver is a selfish git! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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