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[Audi A3/S3] DSG Shortages?


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My A3 2.0 TDI Sline DSG had a build week 49, and delivery 51, dealer was expecting it on a shipment that came in saturday: every car but mine came in... (apparently the only one on this shipment coming with DSG)

They enquire and find out it's been delayed because of DSG, some sort of shortage (fekking stealers can never tell you exactly what's happening, always talking about "we think" this and that) of DSG itself from a lot of cars being ordered with it...

Anyone heard anything about this at all?

Next boat on the 27th... might just have them keep it the extra week for '06 plates... meeeh, there goes Santa's present mad.gif

Cheers

JP

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Why is a 'lame' excuse. As I understand it the factory that produces the DSG gearboxes is at full capacity at the moment and cannot produce quite enough DSGs to meet demand.

At the moment VW (who actual designed and build the DSGs) are not in a position to add more capacity.

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hmm

I was told my A3 2.0 TDI SE DSG had build week 46. Was built and shipped the same week. Got it delivered 13th December from the dealer who's at the other end of the country. No mentions of any delay or problems with DSG at all. Was open and honest with me from the outset (mine was ordered at the beginning of August though!)

Sorry mate frown.gif

And when you say 06 plates, I guess you mean an 06 car with 55 plates...

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Why is a 'lame' excuse. As I understand it the factory that produces the DSG gearboxes is at full capacity at the moment and cannot produce quite enough DSGs to meet demand.

At the moment VW (who actual designed and build the DSGs) are not in a position to add more capacity.

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Because its crap, people are getting there DSG cars left right and centre. Its just an excuse that stealers use instead of saying, when it was on the docks a fork lift reveresed into it and now we are having it repaired and resprayed.

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Oh and I forgot to mention the dealer can more or less 'see' where the car is - it's wrong that he would be 'expecting' a car to come in as he would have checked beforehand. My dealer told me when the car had a VIN assigned to it (and therefore was born), and also when it was on the ship - this info was available to him from his desk. They can track the car!

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Well if you think your dealer is tells you lies, why did you use him in the first place. If you don't trust them, don't use them.

The reason I gave was the situation when I orderded my car, but that was 18 months ago and I know that was the true situation after a colleague spoke to another colleague who actually works for Audi in Ingolstat.

Perhaps Audi UK forgot to order your car from the factory or ordered the wrong spec. It happens.

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Oh and I forgot to mention the dealer can more or less 'see' where the car is - it's wrong that he would be 'expecting' a car to come in as he would have checked beforehand. My dealer told me when the car had a VIN assigned to it (and therefore was born), and also when it was on the ship - this info was available to him from his desk. They can track the car!

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yeah, that's what's ticking me off! What is it will all the guessing, they should be able to tell me "look, the car is parked on spot number 254 on the line" or whatever... I mean, I thought we lived in the age of computers and technology wink.gif

Whatever, I've decided I can't be obcessing about this otherwise I'll be driven totally mad when the car finally gets here...

As for the plates, when I say '06 plates, you need to remember I'm not in the UK, hehe, so this means (try to think back to euro-land plates) that the little yellow part of the plate will read 01 on the top and 06 on the bottom (meaning January 2006) as opposed to 12, 05 (dec, '05)... but yeah, basically having plates corresponding to a "newer" car (as you know, even if the car would be only a few weeks different, as far as resell value, quite different...)

On a more positive note, after talking all of this over with the dealer and expression my pissed-off-ness (yay for new words grin.gif ) they have loaned me the test-drive car while mine isn't here...so basically I also have a 2.0TDI, S-line, DSG standing outside, lol, just not the colour and options on mine wink.gif

So I guess I'll be able to enjoy same ride/motor as mine for a good week and a half now before mine gets here...

(as a side note, did I read somewhere that the 2.0TDI DSG does NOT have launch control? or was this just for the UK or something? cuz I'm pretty damn sure this one has it... if that's not it, I'm going bananas...)

Cheers for the replies guys and sorry for the long post wink.gif

JP

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Certainly 2.0TDI DSG cars sold in the UK do not have launch control. Only cars with the 6 cylinder engine have it.

UK dealers have access to build 'checkpoints' that a car has reached in the production cycle. These include 1 - start of production, 3 - body shop, 5 - start of final assembly, 7 - final assembly complete, 8 - final inspection and 11 is when the car is being shipped. There may be others, but those are the ones I am away off. I assume that dealers in other countries have access to similar information.

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Perhaps Audi UK forgot to order your car from the factory or ordered the wrong spec. It happens.

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Audi UK don't physically order the car, the dealer does so it could be there mistake. That said, I have heard that there are mega DSG shortages - I don't thinks its available on the new R32 yet.

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Back in 1998 the order went from the dealer to VAG in Milton Keynes and from there to the factory, but things have probably changed since then.

In 1998 I ordered a second Golf VR6 without a sunroof. I had problems with headroom in one with a sunroof. Unforntuately the no sunroof option was on the dealers order but get left off the VAG to factory order. The car was part of the very last batch of VR6s to be made and when it arrived it had a sunroof. I rejected the car. The dealer could not order a replacement as production of the VR6 had ceased. Looking around for a replacement for my existing VR6 I test drove an Audi A3 1.8T Sport - liked it and bought it. Since then I have had 4 1.8T Sports and now drive a new A3 2.0 TDI DSG. So perhaps every dark cloud has a silver lining. All of the A3 have been Silver !

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haha, nice,

I will make a video tomorrow of the launch control on the 2.0 TDI (I follow the exact same steps as owners of the 3.2 have specified)... the car "locks on" to about 1800 rpm (you can feel it click into lock) and when you release the brake, some wheelspin and the car shoots off the line (obviously still being a TDI though, haha, but still a lc...)

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haha, nice,

I will make a video tomorrow of the launch control on the 2.0 TDI (I follow the exact same steps as owners of the 3.2 have specified)... the car "locks on" to about 1800 rpm (you can feel it click into lock) and when you release the brake, some wheelspin and the car shoots off the line (obviously still being a TDI though, haha, but still a lc...)

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You need to be careful doing stuff like that - if you dont have LC.... you are simply making the clutch "slip" and this will in turn burn it out in no time at all.

When you say it locks on to 1800 rpm, does it stay there permanently or do the revs die after a few seconds (say 5 or 6) and the throttle pedal becomes inoperative?

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I'm pretty sure they lock on to 1800 permanently, but, again, I will make a short clip tomorrow and you can all judge for youselves wink.gif

But I'm under the impression that pressing the brake disengages gas altogether, so this must be lc (and given what I see/feel too)... if it was slipping the clutch, the car wouldn't "fly" off the line would it? (it would almost, "die" when you release the brake as the clutch sets back in?)

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I'm pretty sure they lock on to 1800 permanently, but, again, I will make a short clip tomorrow and you can all judge for youselves wink.gif

But I'm under the impression that pressing the brake disengages gas altogether, so this must be lc (and given what I see/feel too)... if it was slipping the clutch, the car wouldn't "fly" off the line would it? (it would almost, "die" when you release the brake as the clutch sets back in?)

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The gas is only cut if you brake after the gas is pressed - try it - brake while cruising (off throttle) then while braking plant the throttle. You will find that the car will drive against the braking force.

Can you feel the car trying to break away from the braking force when you try LC?

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Can you feel the car trying to break away from the braking force when you try LC?

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First of all let me thank you for helping me figure this out wink.gif Much better to do it now with the loaner car than with mine, hehe...

I have 2 small vids I will post later on tonight when I get home...

To answer your question, though, no it doesn't feel like the car is trying to brake away, but you do feel some amount of force (as if the car is engaged and ready to go)... the revs never go down (as you have asked before) although after about 8 seconds the rpm are still the same but there is a small difference (it almost seems like the engine goes quieter... and I feel a bit less force)

Too bad audi didn't remember to make a little sign that would come on when lc was engaged wink.gif

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oh yeah, forgot about that, definitely km/h wink.gif

buut, it's a diesel, so it's not supposed to go up any faster wink.gif (unless it's an R10 I guess, hehe)

I tried out basically doing the checklist for LC: ESP off, gear on S, brake to full, accel to full (or middle, doesn't matter, ecu keeps it at about 1800 rpm in this case), let go of brake...

More comments are appreciated laugh.gif

Cheers for all the help so far

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Yeah totally different to what mine does in that situation, and I am pretty sure that the only cars that have LC are the 3.2's... could be wrong though.

The first time you use LC in the clip - did you short shift it? it seems to change early from 1st to 2nd, yet the second time it goes all the way before changing.

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No, I'm not shifting at all, I'm in S letting it do all the work... the reason for the differences is the terrain, on the last start there's wheelspin on 1st so it really gets to 4500rpm fast...

honestly man, I don't know... I see your point, I just can't "feel" that I'm hurting the clutch you know? I might just pop an email to audi...

Not that it matters... this isn't something you would do everyday at all wink.gif

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When using the LC on my 3.2 the revs will rise to about 2800 and stay there (on a limiter) but I do need to press the brake hard - as if there's a second switch after the brake light switch, the car is not trying to drive or slipping the clutch, until I let go of the brake (like dumping a clutch) and then there is a slight delay before it launches - needs to be in S or Manual mode with ESP switched off - minimal wheelspin, even in the wet. notworthy.gif

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