sayerbloke Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 As seen here. I wonder if it's also legal to attack one of these eco-terrorists with a wheel brace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 If you grab them by the throat, can you get charged? As you haven't caused any damage as such... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 I'm not a fan of SUVs or inappropriate use of 4x4's at all, but this is a bit much. As much as I hate seeing Timmy being dropped off at school by his dopey speed limit ignoring X5 driving mum, and clogging the streets, I couldn't be arsed to attack the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Everyone knows my views on 4x4's (although for safety reasons, not ecological ones) but this is totally out of order. Messing with other peoples property is not on. As the article states But if just one person needs to go to hospital in a hurry and their 4x4 has a flat tyre, the joke won’t seem so funny. The campaign will be finished.” But there are many other reasons. What if you were on your way to a life changing job interview? Or to pick your kids up from outside school (although admittedly no one would buy a 4x4 for the school run. Would they?? ) People have the right to object, they don't have the right to feck with other peoples lives. Where will it stop? What about smokers, going to let their tyres down? People who go on holiday alot (contributing to air pollution)? You could go on and on and on. Stupid little people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Opinions about 4x4s are very valid and in some cases their use may be irresponsible and inappropriate but no-one has the right to act as a vigilante and in so doing potentially endanger other lives and neither does anyone have such a supreme right to wilfully damage another's property. As Ari says: "Where will it stop?" Do we burn people at the stake? Lynch them? Such people are bringing ecologists and environmentalists into serious disrepute....Who the heck do they think they are to behave so arrogantly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayerbloke Posted January 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Who the heck do they think they are to behave so arrogantly? [/ QUOTE ] Because they've been told they are being "Morally correct" about this issue, they feel it gives them carte blanche to do as they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Surely this is just vandalism, the tyres or alloys could be damaged ? All cars are bad for the environment and account for just 0.1% of Carbon emissions in the atmosphere. They would be better off focusing on industry or public transport. 4 x 4 owners are a softer target and higher profile at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Tyre inflation is a safety issue. This is utterly reckless. And don't tell me that an deflated tyre does not suffer damage - this could be a serious bill if you didn't happen to notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shao_khan Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 yep - if you imagine the typical school run driver - will 'they' notice the deflated tyres or the leaflet? 2 miles down the road, tyre sidewalls nackered and alloys damaged - doesnt sound like a sound tactic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 [ QUOTE ] ...All cars are bad for the environment and account for just 0.1% of Carbon emissions in the atmosphere. They would be better off focusing on industry or public transport. 4 x 4 owners are a softer target and higher profile at the moment. [/ QUOTE ] ....EXACTLY !! The whole subject of petrol car emissions is so over inflated and represents a tiny percentage. I notice that diesel fuel has a much 'greener' public image yet its pollutive effects on plant seed in the atmosphere etc is far worse - Ah, but it's cheaper!! Do the so-called experts not realise that planet Mother Earth constantly undergoes dynamic and potentially catastrophic (to humans) changes and has done so throughout her life. I'm not advocating that we don't respect and don't do all we can to look after our environment, but that we view such matters in perspective. Bomb the barstewards! Yours sincerely, Angry of Mayfair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayerbloke Posted January 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Do the so-called experts not realise that planet Mother Earth constantly undergoes dynamic and potentially catastrophic (to humans) changes and has done so throughout her life. [/ QUOTE ] No. These people latch onto every nugget of "information" they hear, be it factually correct or otherwise. 99% of the environmentalists are the same way, but at least most don't try and do something stupid like the ones outlined in this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamail Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I agree, I think they are barking up the wrong tree, natural pollution, industrial pollution and aviation pollution are major culprits, not cars. Having said this, I do not approve of the "i pick up the children in a 4X4 because it is the best protection for them in the event of an accident" , the subtext is surely "save my kids but who cares if I kill yours" I used to have a Range Rover and felt justified because I did a lot of off road driving, however, in London or any city it is an inconsiderate vehicle to drive. The other day I got sandwiched between a Mercedes 4x4 and a Toyota Glandcruiser in a supermarket car park and couldn't get in my car. It is a bit silly really, possibly even selfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenny007 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Things like this really hack me off. Who do these people think they are? I'll tell you who they are. Cowards - impotent little people who can't get those they feel are responsible for "climate change" to listen to their views so they attack and target those who they can get to - the general public. So it's now comedy to leave a woman and her child in who are trying to merely get to school or work with flat tyres is it? It's only whimsy is it? Targetting and stigmatising individuals now the way forward is it? Amazing really. George Bush Jnr basically tells all the environmental campaigners to sod off after Kyoto. Big business couldn't give a stuff so lets target the weakest person to whom this sort of action causes the most upset. If these campaigners are trying to change the way the world is polluted, why start at the bottom? Why not target big business' such as aviation companies, utility suppliers, chemical companies? Simply because they can't. In the next few years China is going to start dominating the headlines for many reasons and i'll bet that one of them will be for pollution. Do you think those in power in China will give a rats about what's being pumped out the towers as long as the cash is raking in? I'm all for changing the global situation with respect to the environment. I just feel targetting motorists is pathetic. Why not just go for the big polluters and be done with it? Or do you not like the idea of rowing to your idyllic paradise island for a tranquil "chilled" getaway? Amazing how Greenpeace don't have rowers powering their boats but are willing to tell the rest of the world how to cut down on pollution isn't it? Rank hypocrisy. And finally, whatever happened to the power of choice? We live in an alleged democracy where we are free to speak our minds and do what we want to, within the scope of the law. If i want to go out and buy a 4x4 (and i'm going to in a couple of weeks time), why should i be persocuted for it? If you don't like my purchase for ecological reasons, fine. I respect your views but disagree with them. If you don't like my purchase on the grounds of safety, fine. I've taken into account this before i bought the car and it's my responsibility to ensure the safety of not only the occupants but also other road users. Pigeon holing 4x4 drivers is as dangerous as pigeon holing any segment of society. Who's to say that there use is inappropriate. We aren't privy to the choices and situations of those concerned so we can't make informed judgements. I'm afraid all of this - systematic targetting of motorists for whatever crusade is the flavour of the month - is typical of the society we live in today. We have so much choice in the world but as this develops ever larger, we also feel that we have the right to not only comment on the choices people make in life but in certain cases to take action against these people as their choices do not conform to our own. Live and let live people. Our ethos should be about personal responsibility, not pressure group mentality. Sorry for the rant - i'm off for a sausage and egg McMuffin and i'll be walking there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Well said, lenny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I wonder if these eco-mentalists would continue thinking it's clever letting down4x4 tyres after one of their number is admitted to hospital in a coma after I've twatted him round the head with a tyre lever? (Hypothetical situation, cos I don't have a 4x4, but if I did and I caught them, I wouldn't hesitate.) I prefer the approach of the English activists. If they put one of their fake "tickets" under my wiper, I'd read it. Much more intelligent and inclusive. They might even persuade a few people... Oh and I wholly support giving the finger to Hummer drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattR32 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Dad had all his tyres slashed in a train station car park in his Shogun (old shape - This was ages ago) as had two other 4x4s. Some people REALLY hate 4x4s. I'm afraid that I have a deep affection for the really good 4x4s. Just don't like the pretend ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermanUK Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 It's theft! I have to pay 20p to use the air-line at my local Total garage, therefore I've paid for the air, and someone has intended to permanently deprive me of something that I've paid for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I prefer the approach of the English activists. If they put one of their fake "tickets" under my wiper, I'd read it. Much more intelligent and inclusive. They might even persuade a few people... Oh and I wholly support giving the finger to Hummer drivers. [/ QUOTE ] Garcon, I could not agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotw Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Hmm not a fan of such tactics, but violence is not an answer, however annoying it would be. Im really not a fan of 4x4s, not with the terrible driving the 5'1" tall mother exhibits on her way to the school, but I found the www.fuh2.com website fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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