tappers Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Not sure whehter the right section but just heard a lady at work talking about her car and thought I would check with you clever knowledgable lot!! I heard her say that she was going to sell her car mainly because it uses a huge amount of fuel. I knew it was a Land Rover from what she had said previously. Initially I presumed Discovery or Defender with V8 in it. When I asked her out of interest she said it was a Freelander! so I said has it got the V6 engine in it and she said it was the 1.8!!!! There I was lost! I have never driven a 4x4 but really want one but cannot believe a 1.8 would use that much even if you are heavy on the gas??? What are your comments?? Tappers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 The 1.8 engine that is in the Freelander is an absolute bag of spanners. There are major head gasket issues. Same engine as in Rovers and MGs. Dealers avoid them like the plague as if they go wrong, its pretty much an engine rebuild which leads to big warranty claims, hassle and narked off customers. As for economy, I can't imagine it would be that great lugging the weight of a Freelander around. Crap car, crap engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappers Posted February 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 booster! I have never driven one but appart from what you say about it being a bag of spanners I have never liked them anyway! I think they just look crap and by the sounds of it they are crap aswell! I was just surprised that the fuel use was that bad! If/when I get a 4x4 I want to get something bigger Nissan Patrol or Toyata Land Cruiser Amazon, now they would probably use fuel!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayerbloke Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Anything that drives 4 wheels is bad. Anything with the aerodynamic properties of a wardrobe is bad. Anything with the same engine as once appear in a modern day Rover is bad. And that's why Freelanders get bad gas mileage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappers Posted February 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 You'd be against 4x4's then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 If its going to be a 4x4 then it has to be a diesel. Lots of low down torque and and around 30mpg for starters. Makes up for the aerodynamics of a brick. See plenty of V6 Freelanders for sale. They do around 15mpg ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappers Posted February 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 As much as I like petrol cars for the obvious reasons! When I win the lottery I will have to buy if nothing else I think a RS6 and and M5. But until that day it will be a diesel and even more so if a 4x4 for economy and the reasons Spartacus you say above! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayerbloke Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [ QUOTE ] You'd be against 4x4's then? [/ QUOTE ] 4x4/AWD: No. Offroaders on the roads: More so. But if you're prepared to pay the increased running costs, who am I to stop you. I'm not one of those calling for them to be banned, I just personally don't like them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyds Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [ QUOTE ] The 1.8 engine that is in the Freelander is an absolute bag of spanners. There are major head gasket issues. Same engine as in Rovers and MGs. Dealers avoid them like the plague as if they go wrong, its pretty much an engine rebuild which leads to big warranty claims, hassle and narked off customers. As for economy, I can't imagine it would be that great lugging the weight of a Freelander around. Crap car, crap engine [/ QUOTE ] Caterham and lotus use the 1800 K as well... The reason for CHG issues is that the head was located using plastic dowells, and the thermostat opens late and quick so a nice hot engine gets lovley freezing cold water pumped through it, and the thermal shock causes "creeping" within the engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccombie_5 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 The Trooper gets about 27-29 according to dad's wife, and thats a 3.1 Turbo Diesel.... For something weighing over 2 Tonnes, that's not half bad, how bad could the Land Rover really be? Surely not as low as the Trooper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappers Posted February 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 That was exactly my point mccombie_5! I would not have thought that it was that heavy! compared to the Trooper etc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccombie_5 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Maybe she used to have a diesel Toyota yaris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [ QUOTE ] The Trooper gets about 27-29 according to dad's wife, and thats a 3.1 Turbo Diesel.... For something weighing over 2 Tonnes, that's not half bad, how bad could the Land Rover really be? Surely not as low as the Trooper? [/ QUOTE ] Freak. If you had any sort of dignity or balls you would have left by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenjaminTDI Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Friend of mine has a TD4 freelander and gets around 36 mpg on a long run, 30 on a short run. But the 1.8 petrol needs to be thrashed to get it to go anywhere, the TD4 and the V6 are bearable though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 harsh but fair. And that mpg is fictional, a trooper wouldn't do anything over 22-24 unless at 50 with a strong tail wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pritesh Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 if one ownes a 4x4 why would they be concerned about fuel bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappers Posted February 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 ppp666 very true in your comments! I just thought it seemed a strange thing to say as 4x4's will obviously use more fuel. I did think that she may have had some tiny diesel before as per Mccombie's comments above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pritesh Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 I've got a mate who owns an M-class and frankly it scares me to think how much damage it would cause if the driver of a 4x4 has to brake and swerve very quickly from high speed! If compared to some of the roads i've seen in other countries our roads are frankly..great. Unless you live in the outback covered by dirt and mud bla bla then fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapsuds Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 i used to own a V8 discovery and used it for work. I had a client in glasgow and a straight run up there, it used to return me 25mpg at about 70mph. It meant i could go Manchester - Glasgow - Manchester on £70 without stopping to refuel - JUST!!! Around town was a different matter - 15mpg average. Going to work over the hills was down to 10mpg. But i knew that before i bought it!! Was going to LPG convert it, but the engine wasnt good enough IMO, so nver bothered. Awesome car and VERY quick for its size..... I miss the days of £70 refills and 300 miles out of a tank NOT........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 I can live with crap fuel consumption when you get great performance, but 4x4s, why do people who don't live up muddy hills really buy 'em ? (he asks, opening a can of worms) ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapsuds Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I can live with crap fuel consumption when you get great performance, but 4x4s, why do people who don't live up muddy hills really buy 'em ? (he asks, opening a can of worms) ... [/ QUOTE ] ahh - good point - I did...... sold it to afford buying a house in suburbia! It was awesome, i lived in the Peak District and used to greenlane just for the hell of it when i popped out to get some milk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 A work coleague has a 3.0 petrol X5. Costs him £90 to fill up and he gets about 300 miles a tank !!! He fills it up twice a week, mind you he earns a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccombie_5 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 When she bought it she expected 25 at max, but it does do better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappers Posted February 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 I really like 4x4's but ully understand the comments about not using them off road. I know someone who only has one because everyone in the area has one, not really an excuse eh! I wonder whether appart from the above people buy them to make themselve feel big! other than those that just like them. I would do what Avant_B6_130 says above an use crazy routes to get stuff just to go off road! The crazy thing is that a lot of them never get dirty! it is a crime really! just like in my opinion when you see Ferrari's and the like doing 60 on the motorway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Where's Ari? I am sure he has a few things to say on this subject! But 4x4 and economy - not words I would put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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