taffyboyo Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 after a recent unpleasant experience with the dealer that resulted in me paying a labour charge after the intercooler hose came off (cant see this being caused by the chip ), Am I right in thinking that the map can be swithed back to factory setting with a sps1, and also can this be an add on, on my allready fitted revo upgrade? car is 2004 a4 avant tdi 130 sport many thanks Taff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBM Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Revo should put it back to factory FOC. You could buy the SPS1 dongle which has the map on it and flash it through the serial port to have a re-map when you want and then flash back to factory settings when it goes in. Dealers can't see it if it is flashed back, but they can see how many times the ECU has been flashed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffyboyo Posted April 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Cheers UBM, when the mechanic drove the car the other day he said that it was "very powerful" and this was put down on the invoice along with a comment that the ecu ref was not normal and that they suspect it had been chipped. would this info be stored on their system computer now, or the dealer network system, the reason I'm a little concerned is that I have a 17k car that might not have a warranty if something goes wrong with the car, not just the engine but any problems that might arise, cheers Taff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupramax Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Revo should put it back to factory FOC. You could buy the SPS1 dongle which has the map on it and flash it through the serial port to have a re-map when you want and then flash back to factory settings when it goes in. Dealers can't see it if it is flashed back, but they can see how many times the ECU has been flashed! [/ QUOTE ] No you cant, the SPS doesn't hold the map, it only allows you to switch maps. The Revo dealer has to load the code on the car, the SPS just lets you switch between stock and performance maps... I also believe Revo has got around the flashcount as well, but to be honest thats not a clue either as if the car has received a service update at the dealer the count changes with that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBM Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 So where is the stock setting held when you have a re-map then with an SPS1 dongle? I thought the re-map was stored in the car ECU and the factory settings on the dongle and you could re-flash factory to the ECU and put the re-map on the dongle? Or have I missed the point entirely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupramax Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Slightly, the SPS just swaps the maps on the ECU. They are stored in a spare area which isn't used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBM Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 So they could detect the map in the otherwise normally "spare" area then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupramax Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Yes, if they new what and where to look for bearing in mind its all hex data... There are other things as well if you know what to look for. The AVERAGE dealer techy would not know where or what though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisg Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 UBM, I believe Star Performance use the One Click and this does store the map in the dongle .... so I've been led to believe....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBM Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Thanks Chris - I knew I was not far off the mark....or so I thought.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyp Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 The SPS1 is a Serial Port Switch, both maps are stored in the ECU, once set by a Revo dealer you can then switch the ECU back to the standard map using the SPS device and the performance map is stored somewhere in the ECU. Now the dealers diagnostics kit is very "unlikely" to detect the map, they will only "know" if you have left it on the performance map and they drive it because there will be a noticeable difference. The only true way they will know if it is chipped is if they send the ECU off to Bosch and then they will have no problems finding the map... HTH Jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBM Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Cheers jimmy - we've finally got to the bottom of this little mystery! Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffyboyo Posted April 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 thanks gents, I will contact the revo dealer to see if they can add the SPS1 to my car, and then I'll let you know how I get on, cheers Taff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyp Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 You don't have it added mate you just buy the device and it works straight away, i think its under £100 or around that price, then you just plug in and play... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffyboyo Posted April 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 cheers Jimmy, I seen it at £150, will have to phone the tuner to find out, regards Taff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyp Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Enjoy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynas Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 [ QUOTE ] cheers Jimmy, I seen it at £150, will have to phone the tuner to find out, regards Taff [/ QUOTE ] Just out of interest, you've got a 130 TDi, what BHP are you getting from the chip? Would you recommend it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffyboyo Posted May 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 I think it about 170-180 bhp, I havent driven a standard 130, so I cant really comment too much, but when I get the sps1 I will change it back to stock, and then I will post the outcome cheers taff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 [ QUOTE ] UBM, I believe Star Performance use the One Click and this does store the map in the dongle .... so I've been led to believe....... [/ QUOTE ] Yes, that's correct. Their dual system contains both mappings on the dongle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBM Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Oh you went for it then Mr Craig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Yes, and err, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBM Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 I daren't re=map mine - too many horror stories recently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynas Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 I've left mine from getting chipped until the belt and service. It's play time now.. I'll get the SPS unit so I can turn it off and on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffyboyo Posted May 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 should get my sps tomorrow, we should of all chipped in for one and kept it in a central location, (my house) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynas Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 The SPS1 does switch between stock and chipped. No need to go back to Revo everytime. Now then, does the SPS store the data or simply move data around on the ECU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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