Markallain Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Hope everyone is watching this which started at 8pm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Oh bugger, missed it, i will set the hardrive for midnight tomorrow as it is repeated.... good review ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Oh bugger, missed it, i will set the hardrive for midnight tomorrow as it is repeated.... good review ??? [/ QUOTE ]Pretty cr@p in my opinion, it was more like Tiff vs Jason having a blast in some sports cars.... they didnt review it much.... was good to see the footage anyway. Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 So it wasn't pretty crap on the basis that, if you're anything like me, you got the shock of your life when the M3 kept up with it? I was very surprised indeed, but they put them both through a decent amount of testing and I think an honest person would say they were rather surprised to see how the RS4 didn't pull away from the M3 on the track!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Are you surprised enough to think there must be a rational explanation? I'd be stunned if it turned out the two cars are actually so close in performance. Since the S4 in various reports beat the M3 around a track and the RS4 by ALL accounts is quite an improvement, there must be something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Precisely. Then again....this was the M3 CS. Better braking, ever so slightly lighter (knats whisker). Perhaps the braking has had a bigger impact than I anticipated - but I'd have still expected the RS4 to win easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I didn't realise it was a CS. I missed the first part of the feature. Even so, I'd have expected the power difference at Combe to have made more difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 CS mind you, not CSL - otherwise the outcome would have been very different indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHA Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Never trust any roadtest on telly, are they really pushing all they way or just making it close so vicky can squeal?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjgreen4 Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 I was actually thinking that one of the drivers is a car journalist and the other is a touring car racer - I think if it had been stig at the wheel racing the RS4 around the track and the M3, then the results would have been different. If I remember the RS4 track test on top gear brought back a time of 1:25 secs against a CSL time of 1:28secs and an M3 of 1:31secs , therefore on fifth gear last night it must have been down to the driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 This was what I meant in the other thread. I just don't know it if was a proper fair test based on results from other TV programmes/mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigR Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I was actually thinking that one of the drivers is a car journalist and the other is a touring car racer [/ QUOTE ] I think you will find they are both very accomplished race car drivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 But of the same calibre? I know Plato is, but Tiff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Tiff is ex-F1 therefore in theory a better driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 MrMe said :[ QUOTE ] CS mind you, not CSL - otherwise the outcome would have been very different indeed. [/ QUOTE ] I know I drive an Audi but I do know the difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Tiff is ex-F1 therefore in theory a better driver. [/ QUOTE ] Ahhh, cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 When I say ex-F1.... I think he started one race! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_C Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 As rjgreen4 said it would've been good to see someone like 'The Stig' (for example) do the driving, or as I said in the other thread if Tiff and Plato had swapped cars and run the test again. I thought the drag race and the lap were interesting, but the whole 'drifting' thing was pretty pointless IMO (unless you're into that sort of thing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 [ QUOTE ] When I say ex-F1.... I think he started one race! [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHA Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] When I say ex-F1.... I think he started one race! [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] iirc he was a test driver too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Tiff has raced in Touring cars and beaten Mansell. His racing career might not have been the best but his skill is up there with the best IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdiesel Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Started the 1980 Belgium GP at Zolder (retired) and tried to qualify for the following Monaco GP (but failed) driving for Ensign. His only other F1 experience was testing the Williams FW14 as a journalist in 1991. He did finish 3rd at Le Mans in 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdiesel Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Tiff has raced in Touring cars and beaten Mansell. His racing career might not have been the best but his skill is up there with the best IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Dont ever recall him beating Mansell, unless you call punting him into the Starkeys Bridge parapet at Donnington, beating him. Tiff never did have much success in touring cars, but he was a very good racing driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Back on topic....... A couple of things to mention, i would have prefered a road test and not a track test. We all know the M3 is a good/fun track car but on the road i think the difference would be greater. I am not talking racing on the road i am saying real world driving, see a gap and accelerate into it. (or scream up to red line for maximum power) For you guys who thought the race was close, think what would have happend in the dry! (RS4 would still whip it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Tiff has raced in Touring cars and beaten Mansell. His racing career might not have been the best but his skill is up there with the best IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Dont ever recall him beating Mansell, unless you call punting him into the Starkeys Bridge parapet at Donnington, beating him. Tiff never did have much success in touring cars, but he was a very good racing driver. [/ QUOTE ] Mansell did have a little snooze after hitting a birdge support yes. He still does do racing but just not top line stuff. Fitness will cause him problems in some racing but in a road car against another drive over a modest distance I think he might fancy his chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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