badgera Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 VW have finally updated the web site (but not the brochures or price lists) to include the new 170BHP GT TDI Golf. The new GT's have a more of a GTI look (check out the linky ) Anyone got any more pictures or details? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 New Top Gear magazine (out 03/05/06) has a write up on each car. Read the articles last night !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_d Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 That 170 is going to pose a few problems to GTI owners me thinks, especially when remapped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgera Posted May 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 [ QUOTE ] That 170 is going to pose a few problems to GTI owners me thinks, especially when remapped [/ QUOTE ] Too right, 350NM of Torque (or 258ftlbs) ie. exactly the same as my 2.7 Turbo A6, 170BHP is not that shoddy in it's own right, same as my old V5 Golf which didn't hang about. Only about a second slower to 60 than the GTI, should be a rocket in mid range though. I think the new GT look really makes it difficult to choose between the GTI and GT's, love the new wheels.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo_nr1 Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 I see that DSG doesn't seem to be an option on the 3dr? I cant understand why. Sounds impressive....could be very interesting to see what engine gets thrown into an Anniversary....if there is going to be one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_d Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Nice to see that there are now 4 different styles of Golf (standard, GT, GTI and R32), keeps the car looking fresh imho Would be interesting to get a GT vs GTI (both standard) down at Santa Pod. The GTI should win, but I think the GT would give it a bit of a fright. Any news on what they're likely to reach when remapped? I'm still happy that I've got the GTI as it will be a better drive, but if you do a lot of miles then the GT 170 would be a cracking car; looks good, damn quick and economical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Some GT pics (NOTE: the page can take a while to load) I wonder when VW will release there even newer Deisel motors as they sound more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_d Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 What on earth is "W"? It appears to be on...perhaps winter mode or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 [ QUOTE ] That 170 is going to pose a few problems to GTI owners me thinks, especially when remapped [/ QUOTE ] CAN it be remapped though? The way I understood it is a remapped version of the 140 BHP 2.0 Tdi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo_nr1 Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 I assume "W" means winter mode which delivers less torque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32North Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] That 170 is going to pose a few problems to GTI owners me thinks, especially when remapped [/ QUOTE ] CAN it be remapped though? The way I understood it is a remapped version of the 140 BHP 2.0 Tdi... [/ QUOTE ] The 140s remapped make about 185hp. I think the 170s are a tweaked 140 but with some maechnaical gubbins as well, like intake, turbo, etc. I'd guess that you could take it beyond the 200hp without much hassle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 These are interesting models. I've Never been a fan of diesels and still not. I personally can never draw comparisons between petrol & diesel units. As far as performance goes, these models can be compared but the GTI is an enthusiasts car which has acquired a heritage. For car enthusiasts I think it's the 'experience' of owning a GTI that really matters to many. All that said, VW have almost priced the GTI out of the sensible hot hatch market and these new performance models still provide the opportunity for folks to drive a performance Golf at affordable prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Diesel engines = torque, which is why a GT TDI will always give a GTI a good run for it's money in the mid-range. IMO, the GT is similar to the Mk2 Driver - people who want a GTI, but for whatever reason don't buy one, whether it's the price, insurance, image or whatever. I've yet to have a drive of the GT petrol, but the fact that it's the new TSI (supercharger and turbo) will make for a cracking car with good grunt and economy. Good on the VW marketeers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32North Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 [ QUOTE ] These are interesting models. I've Never been a fan of diesels and still not. I personally can never draw comparisons between petrol & diesel units. As far as performance goes, these models can be compared but the GTI is an enthusiasts car which has acquired a heritage. For car enthusiasts I think it's the 'experience' of owning a GTI that really matters to many. All that said, VW have almost priced the GTI out of the sensible hot hatch market and these new performance models still provide the opportunity for folks to drive a performance Golf at affordable prices. [/ QUOTE ] I wasn't as well, but I know have 2 of them and while I'm in car limbo land (ie, no real performance model) they make cracking cars (ok, the 90hp 13 yr old Audi maybe doesn't). Thing is, with about £3k I can tune the wee Skoda so that it would whip a stock GTi, which has some merit, and I know its not a Golf GTi, but in the same way I don't view the MKV in the same light as the MKI and MKII GTis which are still true GTi in my eyes. Thing is there no escaping the fact the performance and diesel are 2 words that can be uttered in the same sentence these days and not be laughed at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 I can vouch for the tuning bit Six Not sure if you need to spend that much either, based on how quick the 2.5 Allroad tractor was after a remap, compared to the old B5 S4. Torque, torque and more torque please... Feck, I love diesels. Total stealth and a shed load of smoke out the back when you want to lose someone. I just can't bring myself to dispose of the R right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32North Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I can vouch for the tuning bit Six Not sure if you need to spend that much either, based on how quick the 2.5 Allroad tractor was after a remap, compared to the old B5 S4. Torque, torque and more torque please... Feck, I love diesels. Total stealth and a shed load of smoke out the back when you want to lose someone. I just can't bring myself to dispose of the R right now [/ QUOTE ] I was also refering to the fact that I'd do suspension, ARBS, brakes, exhaust, brakes, etc. But for simple remap, £500 will get me 180hp and approx 275lbs, which would be plenty, but the rolly-polly wee vRS needs it stance and braking sorted out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Hmmmm - My company is insisting on introducing me to diesels anyway. They have on order for me a Vectra 1.9CDTI SRi Don't think they'd take kindly to me chipping that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson_R32 Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I can vouch for the tuning bit Six Not sure if you need to spend that much either, based on how quick the 2.5 Allroad tractor was after a remap, compared to the old B5 S4. Torque, torque and more torque please... Feck, I love diesels. Total stealth and a shed load of smoke out the back when you want to lose someone. I just can't bring myself to dispose of the R right now [/ QUOTE ] I was also refering to the fact that I'd do suspension, ARBS, brakes, exhaust, brakes, etc. But for simple remap, £500 will get me 180hp and approx 275lbs, which would be plenty, but the rolly-polly wee vRS needs it stance and braking sorted out! [/ QUOTE ] Thats why I bought the Cupra TDi, the brakes and handling were already sorted. Just had to add REVO and I had 203bhp and 310lbs/ft of torque. Bish, Bosh Bash! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32North Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I can vouch for the tuning bit Six Not sure if you need to spend that much either, based on how quick the 2.5 Allroad tractor was after a remap, compared to the old B5 S4. Torque, torque and more torque please... Feck, I love diesels. Total stealth and a shed load of smoke out the back when you want to lose someone. I just can't bring myself to dispose of the R right now [/ QUOTE ] I was also refering to the fact that I'd do suspension, ARBS, brakes, exhaust, brakes, etc. But for simple remap, £500 will get me 180hp and approx 275lbs, which would be plenty, but the rolly-polly wee vRS needs it stance and braking sorted out! [/ QUOTE ] Thats why I bought the Cupra TDi, the brakes and handling were already sorted. Just had to add REVO and I had 203bhp and 310lbs/ft of torque. Bish, Bosh Bash! [/ QUOTE ] I'm considering a trade for a Cupra TDi (or FR) as I fancy a Golf sized car but disel, but with sports bits, etc. Always had a soft spot for the Cupra R, and now that the latest TDi Leons have the kits, wheels, etc of the Cupra R its a very well sorted diesel package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Yea and theres quite a few Leon TDI FR+ models in dealers i noticed. (dealers call them FR+ as they have the R bodykit and 17" version of the R wheels and its easier to tell them apart that way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 I wonder how long the 170 2.0 PD will be used. When VW have said New engine family improves efficiency Wolfsburg, 30 September 2005 - The Volkswagen Group is developing a new family of 4-cylinder TDI engines in the context of a modular strategy which will prepare the diesel engines for future, more stringent regulations as well as for world-wide service. With this effort, Volkswagen confirms its leading position in the field of TDI engines. The engines will first be used in 2007 and, with a total capacity of more than 2 million engines per year, will replace the current 3 and 4-cylinder engines in the medium term. This new generation of engines further increases the advantages of today’s diesels in regard to efficiency, environment and performance with high levels of synergy and offers the customers the most modern TDI engine technology at attractive prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] That 170 is going to pose a few problems to GTI owners me thinks, especially when remapped [/ QUOTE ] CAN it be remapped though? The way I understood it is a remapped version of the 140 BHP 2.0 Tdi... [/ QUOTE ] The 140s remapped make about 185hp. I think the 170s are a tweaked 140 but with some maechnaical gubbins as well, like intake, turbo, etc. I'd guess that you could take it beyond the 200hp without much hassle. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting. I had my 140 TDI done by ABT and they say 170bhp is what it has now. However, it feels quicker than that so 185 could be on the money. On a recent drive in Spain I had a little bit of a "race" with a GTI and no way could it get away from me. We drove flat out (see pic) for about an hour and when he had to fill up with petrol I sailed on past with another half a tank left - genius! Was still accelrating with plenty more to come when I took the pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32North Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] That 170 is going to pose a few problems to GTI owners me thinks, especially when remapped [/ QUOTE ] CAN it be remapped though? The way I understood it is a remapped version of the 140 BHP 2.0 Tdi... [/ QUOTE ] The 140s remapped make about 185hp. I think the 170s are a tweaked 140 but with some maechnaical gubbins as well, like intake, turbo, etc. I'd guess that you could take it beyond the 200hp without much hassle. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting. I had my 140 TDI done by ABT and they say 170bhp is what it has now. However, it feels quicker than that so 185 could be on the money. On a recent drive in Spain I had a little bit of a "race" with a GTI and no way could it get away from me. We drove flat out (see pic) for about an hour and when he had to fill up with petrol I sailed on past with another half a tank left - genius! Was still accelrating with plenty more to come when I took the pic. [/ QUOTE ] It seems to be well known that the 130hp and 140hp diesel leave the factory (generally) with more than the quoted hp figure. Some 140s are nearer on 150, so an expected 170hp remap will likely take you into the 180s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Seems I was right. The new 170bhp diesel has just had the boost and injectors adjusted. Same as mine and I saved a packet - woohoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubee Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 [ QUOTE ] What on earth is "W"? It appears to be on...perhaps winter mode or something? [/ QUOTE ] Hi everyone......... We had a 115PD GT TDi, brilliant car! Traded it in for a MPV 6 months ago and regretted it We went and test drove a 2.0 GT FSI today and I was really unimpressed.........but they did have a 170 GT TDI, which floated my boat big time, about £5000 more than we wanted to spend, but feck it, why compromise? We will keep it longer and it's what we really want so, watch this space! BTW 'W' mode is for winter or for driving when there is very poor traction eg ice snow or heavy rain - just how torquey is this thing, it already has ESP! I'll find out tomorrow when I test drive it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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