Soulboy Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 I expect many of you may have read about this in todays papers. Very tragic, but what do they expect?...... http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_ob...-name_page.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Give him an Knighthood for services to the British public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Yup. Pretty draconian result but hard to have any sympathy with the chavs, they had a pretty clear choice of bahaviour, he (presumably) didn't ask to get drawn into this. Lets hope common sense prevails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulkbear Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 'Common sense' and 'British justice system' don't go in the same sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulboy Posted June 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 I know exactly where you are coming from and I agree entirely, but I can also remember that I was no angel when I was 17. At that age you tend to not think of the consequesnces of your actions on others. I also feel sorry for the guy and his family as he is going be charged with 4 counts of attempted murder and he has got 5 kids. So many lives ruined for what?...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 I remember being 17 too. I didn't cause mindless fecking vandalism, do anything criminal or ruin peoples lives though. I bet you didn't either? They got what they fecking deserved. Age or youth is no excuse at 17. They knew right from wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 I fear that these days it's not so much not thinking of the consiquences, more knowing that there are no consiquences. There were this time however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 I would say that natural selection took it's inevitable path....shame they did'nt line up so he could have run all 4 of them over !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcool Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Shame he only caused one of them life-threatening injuries. He should have reversed back and had another go at the other three. They should have been left to die at the side of the road IMO. Worthless members of the underclass deserve to be exterminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sufu Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I fear that these days it's not so much not thinking of the consiquences, more knowing that there are no consiquences. There were this time however. [/ QUOTE ] got to agree with that, although when i think about it more, i keep coming back to one simple thing... Law was invented by society in order to regulate society, when the law fails the society, the society has to recreate the law, as this bloke has (although in a rather harsh way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulboy Posted June 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 It is going to be an interesting story to follow when all the details come to light. Seems strange that these lads were ballied up and had baseball bats to pick on an innocent man in a quite country village? More to this than meets the eye IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 That thought did cross my mind also... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjfr Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Fiver says drugs related. I'm sorry, but you don't get a gang forming with baseball bats to randomly target someone, and if you do they're so fuc*ing suprised that they don't do anything.. I mean would you fight back against a random attack with people with baseball bats? No, cos you're so scared. This is definatly more to this. As for the 'underclass' comment.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayerbloke Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Fair play to the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcool Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 [ QUOTE ] As for the 'underclass' comment.. [/ QUOTE ] I was referring to the vandals as underclass. As you pointed out, likely there is more to this than meets the eye but in a world of random attacks on people and "happy slapping" and suchlike it wouldn't surprise me if the group of lads were bored after a drinking session and decided to go play thugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossG Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 [ QUOTE ] As for the 'underclass' comment.. [/ QUOTE ] It always amuses me how tolerant you are of Chavs and Neds. IMO, in a few years time we are going to see a full on 'civil war' between the security forces employed by 'decent' folk, and the chav / ned / scum underclass that prey on them and their material wealth. The only language these people understand is force, disrespect and nasty nasty violence. We really really do need to punch back...and hard. I know you will disagree, but hey ho, I'm sick of seeing my police force and CPS be soft on these people, and my tax dollar keep them in the manner in which they think they deserve... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Even as a soft lefty pinko Liberal, I'm afraid I'm coming round to RossG's way of thinking. I hope the 17 year old runt survives. But only as a cabbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossG Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 I think private security is going to be a very good businsess to be in in the coming years... Now, if I can sort out the turf battles, I will just dust down that business plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjfr Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 I'm only tolerent because of the way that it's all portrayed.. Chav 'scum' runining the world bla bla... I know plenty of 'chav scum' and they've got their bad bits & their good bits, but just a question: would you respect society if you were automatically branded 'scum' if you wear burberry and have a big exaust? Lots of these stories have much more to them, what if this guy nicked money off these kids or owed money (no excuse, but if you go underground, then you accept things like that will happen) but all we see is what the 'scum' have done. I agree that there are some psychos out there (the kids who attack firefighters for example), but the 'civil war' mentality makes it worse. I guess what I believe is that pretty much everyone is a good bloke. Minority of one, but oh well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 I suspect that if he'd approached these 'gangsters' whilst in the act of vandelism it would be a different four people arrested on attempted murder charges. I'm not sure how you're supposed to communicate your displeasure to violent gangs like this...you can't negotiate with them. I hope he didn't damage the van too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossG Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I guess what I believe is that pretty much everyone is a good bloke. Minority of one, but oh well! [/ QUOTE ] Well one of us needs to do it I take your point though - there is context to everything. I do still stand by the fact that parts of the UK are going (and are going to have to...) to resemble South Africa soon though - gated communities, private security patrols, anti car jacking devices... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjfr Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Isn't that the problem though? If people gate off communities with CCTV, security patrols etc etc then you split society & breed resentment between both the 'chavs' and the others.. I've got some proper pikey mates who have done some crazy things, but when they tell you why, it's not as bad as the mainstream press would have made out. Not to say that some chav's arn't absolutly crazy (the one who stamped on a blokes head on the bus is Glasgow comes to mind), but burberry and not respecting authority doesn't make you an evil person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Tone_ Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Well I just followed that link and had a read, unfortunately I spent most of yesterday in a drunken haze so I had not heard about it. This country and its bollotics are taking us down the pan. Only in the UK would a "Victim" be put up in front of a court with attempted murder, its like that Farmer Tony whatever his name is - he was the victim who like most had to take the law into his own hands. I guess if this guy hadn't been so hot headed he may have avoided it, but reading further it doesn't sound like this was the first time so they got what they deserve, feckers! Issue now is that the guys family will have a worse time of it, with the boys family and friends taking further revenge. It won't stop would it? The courts actualy need to stand up and let this guy go - but some GAY law lord who didnt get it yesterday and has the hump will probably incarcerate the poor guy. Shocking state really/i'm off my soapbox! Tone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Give him a medal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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