maddenmark Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Question - Are the PCCB brakes really worht the extra £6k. Specing Turbo at the moment and really want to know the benefits of the PCCB brakes over the normal steel ones. Can sometimes be a bit heavy on brakes, so are they worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Hi Mark I was never a big fan of the Carbon Cer brakes after hearing all the horror storys from the GT2 and just thought for the type of driving we do would never need them. BUT after using them on the 360 CS worth every penny just so good but we still did not get them on the turbo. Will get them in the 430 Spider you dont really need them unless you do alot of track work then I would say get them Porsche brakes are the best in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidicks Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Hi Mark I was never a big fan of the Carbon Cer brakes after hearing all the horror storys from the GT2 and just thought for the type of driving we do would never need them. BUT after using them on the 360 CS worth every penny just so good but we still did not get them on the turbo. Will get them in the 430 Spider you dont really need them unless you do alot of track work then I would say get them Porsche brakes are the best in the world. [/ QUOTE ] I think that the latest versions are much improved over the previous ones - I have read about quite a few people who have been quoted as much as £5k per corner to replace PCCBs (on GT3s, I think) which had worn during road / track use. Despite implications that that PCCBs were designed for this type of use, and with a long-life (100k miles?), Porsche denied all responsibility when owners were having problems only 20k into the lifetime. Many owners have decided to switched to standard steel brakes instead. If that issue has been satisfactorily resolved, and if the £6k isn't a problem for you, then allegedly they do improve the handling due to the reduced unsprung weight. I'm not sure stopping distances are vastly improved (as the standard steel items are so good anyway), but fade is probably improved, particularly on track. I doubt you'll see much of your £6k back at resale time either !! Sidicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pile Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Im getting the new GT3 in December but i wont be specing PCCB, even though they are supposed to be improved. The horror stories i have heard have put me right off! Add the fact that come resale time you will get little if any of your money back having PCCB , if anything it seems to put people off having PCCB fitted to the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 I agree I have heard that they are much imporved too. But as I said we got the standered set up with the turbo they are so good anyway. On 360 CS they come with the car they are better but the biggest thing I think is that they just never go off so great for track work if you are into that sort of thing. With ref to re-sale you will get a bit if someone is looking for a car with them but I would never buy a car thinking of re-sale as cars just COST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Given the awful way Porsche handled the original PCCB issue (fit them as std on GT2 and show GT3/RS promo cars with them, then say not suitable for track!) I would have zero confidence in PCCB2 being much better - esp. as the changes seem to amount to irrgular spaced holes as opposed to uniform spacing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
instructormike Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Definitely not worth the £6K. You are buying into a much larger liability. The question you have to ask is why do you want to spec the car with ceramics in the first place. We see guys on track with PCCB equiped GT3s who are easily outbraked by steel-equiped cars. The GT3 we have available for tuition rides originally was fitted with the ceramics and now has larger steel motorsport discs. They're just not worth the hassle and money for marginal performance enhancement. Porsche don't support track usage, stating that gravel-trap damage can often be the reason for failure. They don't claim longevity as the raison d'etre for fitment any more, just fade resistance. Strange that.... Race cars quite effectively run on steels. A secondhand boxster could cost half its value to replace the optional PCCBs, a ridiculous state of affairs. Many shy away from ceramic fitted cars. We know of some people who box them up when they get the car and then fit steels. Of course some people have to have ceramics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Very interesting post Mike - and I do happen to agree as well Are you a high performance driving instructor per chance ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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