jon79f Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 G'day All, Have had my car about 6 weeks, travelled 5,000kms, and absolutely love everything about the car. Drove my mates new Focus XR5 (as they are called here), and though faster, didn't like the whole package as much. I have a quick question regarding sport mode, and as my dealer was not much help, I know TSN will be able to assist. When in "S" mode, I know that the car is meant to change down when braking, and hold the gears for longer, but how long? In my car, First gear changes pretty quickly to second, at about 4krpm - I am only talking when the throttle is not fully depressed - if it is, the car howls all the way to redline! However 2nd seems to hold for a great deal longer, and even with the accelerator half throttle, it does not change to third. Is this normal. Having never had a car with this type of gearbox it is a steep learning curve. On a parting note, best fuel figures to date are 6.8L/100kms, worst is 18.9L/100kms. The latter was worth the fuel for the fun I had!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_d Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Yeah, pretty normal. I don't drive in S mode unless I'm planning an overtake tbh, it's too crazed for normal driving imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 I'd agree with that. S is when you want maximum attack if you don't want to use the paddles. Its not a slight S mode its an I'm going to keep the revs as close to 4000rpm regardless mode. Its really wearing after a while, but fun if you have the right road. I use D most of the time and the paddles or S should the need arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtiveedubber Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 I havent used the S mode as yet, still only done 300km. I enjoy using the paddles as i used to be a manual driver and i quite like being in control of the gears, predominantly for down shifts when approaching corners etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonoNZ Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 I wish there was a mode between D and S. To be honest, the more I try D the more I think it stinks. D changes up FAR too quickly for a car like the GTI. But S is way too manic, what we need is a mode between the two. So I drive my GTI in manual mode 95% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzGTI Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Agree... I have to be in a very, very lazy mood to use D. Don't get to use S a lot though either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Agree... I have to be in a very, very lazy mood to use D. Don't get to use S a lot though either. [/ QUOTE ] me too. S for the track only IMO, or for lazy traffic light grand prix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I wish there was a mode between D and S. To be honest, the more I try D the more I think it stinks. D changes up FAR too quickly for a car like the GTI. But S is way too manic, what we need is a mode between the two. [/ QUOTE ] I quite like D as if you bury the throttle the car soon picks up to something like S but is then calm again when you've done the manouvre. S is great fun on some roads, a nightmare on motorways, excellent for planned overtaking D (plus paddles) is great. Also on D you can "blip" the throttle as you slow before arriving at the corner, so the DSG expects you to "go" rather than "stop" after decellerating. Having read the above quote and thread comments I do wonder how much of these experiences comes from the DSG box "learning" the DSG driving style of the driver When I had my GTI go back to the dealer for a check of the DSG it was entirely reset. The following few days were a really wierd experience as the DSG behaved quite differently to my throttle inputs, compared to how I'd left the car hours before. Within a week it was back to "normal", however that is for my driving Also it took me a few thousand miles to get fully confident in DSG D/S/Paddles such that DSG works for me, rather than doing what it wants. In summary want_my_GTI_now, your DSG experience is entirely normal. If after a while you want a change or review, have the software for the DSG rebooted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMC950 Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 I use paddles or stick shift all the time. I never bought DSG for the auto aspect. I agree that S is a bit pointless and D isn't smooth. Only thing that pissed me off about manual is that it drops to 1st too easily. And I've been going on about a need for a bigger symbol of what get you are in on the computer for ages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMC950 Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 I've read about DSG boxes 'learning' how I drive, but what is there to learn when I (a) manually shift anyway and (b) every inch of every drive is different - how can a computer possible predict if I want to drive fast or slow, how does it know if I am about to overtake or brake hard for an unexpectedly tight corner? There maybe one or two very slight programable preferences that appear to be 'intelligent', such as a lower upchange in D for a driver who never uses more than 50% throttle, most of the time, but its all meaningless the second that driver needs to drive differently - which is the whole point of being in control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 I think it's mostly the second point you make CMC950 - it's the upchange/downchange most of the time that is different and gets reset. When you put your foot down in DSG it should change up two gears and go anyway - so you are right regarding "learning" being meaningless then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edo Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 D should be renamed Economy, and something between it and Sport added... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 [ QUOTE ] D should be renamed Economy, and something between it and Sport added... [/ QUOTE ] how about P->N->E->D->S How many of you have thought they were in M, but really in D. Gone to put it up a gear using the stick shift and slammed it into Neutral!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemod Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Yes have done that a few times, then I went one step further and hit it again into "R" Thankfully the computer ignored me and left it neutral which I quickly returned to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzGTI Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Yep.....done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayza Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Done that too.......oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kabskabs Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 certainly gone into N before, not so far as R yet! I would also like the paddles to be able to put the car in reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I would also like the paddles to be able to put the car in reverse. [/ QUOTE ] Are you sure... that's a disaster waiting to happen!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 To answer your original question: When accelerating, S-mode takes you up to the red zone in each gear before changing And it pops down the gears very much at the same times as you would if your were in a conventional manual car. I love S-mode and deff would NOT want anything less 'sporty' or eager. It's guaranteed to give the maximum power when needed. I'll typically use it for fast driving in twisties or when quickly approaching a slower car....D to S and brake (if necessary) and then instantly ready (still in S) to overtake quickly and then settle back down into D. I wouldn't want anything in between. I've even popped her into S-mode at 90 and she still pulls well . Having Non-Resonated Millteks encourages a lot of S-mode driving! . BUT!....Only 25.7mpg yesterday on just under 300 miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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