Daz Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I've heard a rumour that it will be available at the end of 2007 with 580bhp. Anyone else heard anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 No, first i've heard. Any news on the engine.. turbo charged v10? i also heard that it's going to be expensive.. £80,000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 That's a fair hike from the S6. But if it is 580 bhp turbo charged V10 with DSG and their new magnetic suspension and aluminium construction where would the R8 go in the line up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 R8 is a completly different kettle of fish.. it's a two seater sports car, where as the RS6 is a excutive 4 door barge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I realise that but Audi in the past have always been fairly careful for their cars, whether saloon or coupe /sports car, not to overlap in terms of performance. They do fit entirely different purposes but I wonder whether a 580 BHP RS6 would be better than an R8, and if the R8 is better, is it not then nicking sales from the Gallardo who are under Audi's supervision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 The RS6 is out at the end of next year and my sources inform me that the talk is the vehicle will have 580bhp, the vehicle will not have DSG (or S-tronic as it is now known) as Audi have not yet managed to link the gearbox to a longitude mounted engine.... but they are working on it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Yes, i get your point, but i don't think Audi worry too much about lamborghini. They have their own (wealthy) clientele who buy cars as toys. AS powerful as the the new RS6 will be, it will still be heavy and will serve different purposes. The RS6 is a fantastic motor, but it's in it's element on fast european motorways, where you can cross continents in hours and in comfort. The R8 will serve a different purpose. It more porsche like and will appeal to a different person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Wow 580bhp! Im sure if its turbocharged it will have serious torque too. Its going to eat Merc63's and M5's for breakfast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Hope there is some details available on the RS6 soon since the S6 is the disappointment that a lot have said it is. See your point Dave and agree in part. Just I suppose for your average Joe Public like me who wins the pools etc I'd be torn between a brand I know in the upper sectors or a Lambo rather than it being a straight cut choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I'm not sure if it will have turbos as Audi seems to be heading away from that, but the new S6 is a nice car to drive with loads of torque so the RS should be a joy. Still don't think it will have the smile factor of the RS4 though, either the B5 or B7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I thought the concensus was that the A6 platform was better dynamically than the B7 A4 platform? Or are you just thinking in terms of sheer size? I also thought of TSi as well as the route of power increase over N/A, but perhaps bolting that to a V10 is asking a bit much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I mean more in size, the chassis of the A6 is far better then that of the B7 A4 as this is just a revamped B6. I always felt that the B6 & B7 S4's were more fun to drive than the RS6, yeah the RS6 was fantastic and quick but round the bends it never really set my world alight were as the new B7 in either S or RS does. But who knows what the new one will be like, the RS seems to be getting more raw as the models go on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4_sat Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Could be a bi turbo V10. The Lemans and the Nuvolari concept cars both had that engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 [ QUOTE ] 580bhp. [/ QUOTE ] Following the launch of the (C5) RS6, don't I recall Audi saying they were quiting the horsepower race?!? The release mentioned they were going to concentrate on making the cars lighter, more responsive feel and better dynamics. It was also written in a way that subtly had a real dig at Mercedes Benz AMG. The (B7) RS4 followed this line, just 34 bhp more than the original (B5) RS4, but a 580 brake (C6) RS6 would be monsterous! Still cannot quite understand why Audi put the V10 into the S6 and didn't save it just for the (D3) S8 and (C6) RS6 personally.... Edit. Google is our friend. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 I see what you mean about saving the V10 but we have noticed a massive increase in sales for the S4 after the launch of the RS, people liked the idea of having the same engine but slightly lower power and the fact they could have an auto (I think this was the main issue) and a slightly more refined vehicle. I think this is what they trying to acheive with the S6/RS6, the RS6 will be a more involving drivers car whereas if people like the smoothness of the V10 but want a more refined car they can look at the S6 and save money.. its all about raising awareness to the rest of the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlot Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 [ QUOTE ] The RS6 is out at the end of next year and my sources inform me that the talk is the vehicle will have 580bhp, the vehicle will not have DSG (or S-tronic as it is now known) as Audi have not yet managed to link the gearbox to a longitude mounted engine.... but they are working on it ! [/ QUOTE ] Maybe a silly comment but being mid-engined, will the R8 engine be transverse and if so is DSG therefore a runner for the R8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 The R8 is engine is mounted longtitude I'm afraid so no DSG there unless of course they can make it work by then, odd really because the original DSG was mounted to a longtitude engine in the S1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Interesting point about the RS4 pulling sales of the S4 along there Apple (and welcome, by the way!). Adds creedence to my feeling that Audi are (if not, have) killed the S range. Firstly from below with the S-Line and then from above with the need to leave clear definition between S and RS. Just look at the new S3 Right now I'm glad I've got a proper S outside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Interesting point about the RS4 pulling sales of the S4 along there Apple (and welcome, by the way!). Adds creedence to my feeling that Audi are (if not, have) killed the S range. Firstly from below with the S-Line and then from above with the need to leave clear definition between S and RS. Just look at the new S3 Right now I'm glad I've got a proper S outside [/ QUOTE ] In total agreement there mate.. the S class used to be the bee's knees, but now you can't help feel that they arn't the cars they used to be. I get the feeling that not so much design and work go into them as in the past.. it all seems to go on the rs model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 I still think that the S models are great cars, but what Audi has had to do is compete with the established M's of this world. If you look back the original bi-turbo B5 S4 was no match for the evo M3 when it appeared with 321 brake versus the Audi's 265, the RS4 changed all that and blew the M3 out of the water. Regardless of what people say the B6 and B7 S4 is plenty competition for the current M3, it may not be as quick in a straight line by a very small margin but can destroy it around the bends even more so in the hands of us mortals and not a pro driver. What this has done is allow the RS to grow into what it is now a BMW breaker. I think the introduction of the RS models has helped the S to develop into a great car although because there is now the two vehicles one did have to become slightly softer to commend the higher price of the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Debatable, I found the CSL much much quicker round the bends than both the R32 and the new RS4... You just cant beat that perfectly balanced chassie. The Audi is let down by that huge weight over the front axle making every turn in put huge pressure on the front wheels. In the wet of course it is a different matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Right now I'm glad I've got a proper S outside [/ QUOTE ] Almost as if Audi are keeping the S models super-subtle - although still with enough differences for the Audi enthusiasts to notice - whilst making the RS models wide winged, stiff sprung, dedicated machines. S4 owners probably don't want the ceramic brakes, deep bucket seats and Lamborghini steering wheel of the RS4. Both appeal to me - but I get the impression Audi is aiming the two lines at different people? Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 I agree with you Ian, the RS does seem to be aimed at different people but the beauty is the RS is so good its caused a halo effect on the rest of the range including boosting awareness of the S model to people who have maybe never even noticed or thought of an Audi in the past. I have to disagree though Woppum I would have placed the RS ahead of the BM, I appreciate you own one and they are great cars but I still think the RS would out perform in the wet or the dry. But then I am an Audi man through and through so I may be a tad biased, I think that the Audi gives you the confidence to throw the car around from day one whereas I think that would come with time in the BM..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Driving both back to back (CSL) I would say the BMW will get down the same road alot faster. The Audi is just heavier. But then it was never meant to compete against the CSL and they are both different cars. Still love the audi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyadam Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Right now I'm glad I've got a proper S outside [/ QUOTE ] Almost as if Audi are keeping the S models super-subtle - although still with enough differences for the Audi enthusiasts to notice - whilst making the RS models wide winged, stiff sprung, dedicated machines. S4 owners probably don't want the ceramic brakes, deep bucket seats and Lamborghini steering wheel of the RS4. Both appeal to me - but I get the impression Audi is aiming the two lines at different people? Ian [/ QUOTE ] I for those exact reasons, although RS is a beautiful looking car it is maybe a bit too sporty in looks for me - but needs to be to differentiate from s4 I suppose. Still get that engine though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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