Atomic Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 How strict is it, anyone know? For example if a team finds early next year than they keep bending rods are they allowed to replace them? Gonna be a sad 3 years imo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 From my understanding no changes may take place, unless it is a retune to make sure it can hit 19,000rpm. I'm not exactly happy with that that **** Mosley has put upon the sport. I'd rather see a limit on how many engines a manufacturer can make in a year rather then a freeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Can somebody shoot Max Mosley please. Is that too strong a statement. Naaahhhh. If there was anyone in F1 I would like removed from the involvement of the erm 'Sport' it would be him. He seems to be at the centre of every bad desision and or contraversy. His comments to Brundle on the pit walk last week had my blood boiling I have to say. Anyone else feel the same ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayerbloke Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Remember a few years back when the title race was set to be decided at the last race of the year in Japan. Schumacher, fighting for the title, stalled on the front row of the grid and was [quite rightly as the rules stood] sent to the back. He had to fight his way through the field as he was legitamately fighting people for position. After the race, Mosley said that people should have let Schumacher through rather than fight him and slow him down. The guy is a complete joke. I was so glad when I heard he was going to be retiring... but then he changed his mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Just wait he wants a "green" F1 - so thats how far you can go on a tank of gas !! and who has the lowest emmisions - sounds really exciting !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 [ QUOTE ] After the race, Mosley said that people should have let Schumacher through rather than fight him and slow him down. [/ QUOTE ] I want Stoddart to take his place at the FIA, but then again the old farts there don't want someone who will car for the sport and will speak thier mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 [ QUOTE ] His comments to Brundle on the pit walk last week had my blood boiling I have to say. Anyone else feel the same ? [/ QUOTE ] I missed that, what was the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacingRed Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Can somebody shoot Max Mosley please. Is that too strong a statement. Naaahhhh. If there was anyone in F1 I would like removed from the involvement of the erm 'Sport' it would be him. He seems to be at the centre of every bad desision and or contraversy. His comments to Brundle on the pit walk last week had my blood boiling I have to say. Anyone else feel the same ? [/ QUOTE ] I f**king hate Moseley. He's a frustrated politician, never got near Westminster due to his family history..[cough] And like any self-respecting politician he likes to stick his beak in and make a f**king hash of whatever it is. He was supposedly retiring but I think the FIA asked him to continue. If Bernie or the banks who own the sport had any sense they'd dump the organisation and handle the rules themselves, it can't be that hard. It's bad enough that our roads are in such a godawful state because we have politicians who can't organise a working transport policy, but then we've got this tit messing around with motorsport, the last bastion of the petrolhead (certainly those who can't trackday regularly). Yeah I'm with Car/Mad, somebody do us all a favour and shoot him, doesn't have to be fatal, just hospitalise him long enough for them to have to get a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritey Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 From another point of view, would freezing the engine development stop the manufacturers from ploughing millions into engines, and give the opportunity for privateers to rejoin what originally was club sport and not a manufacturers marketing opportunity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 No, because you can bet that car makers will have the next set of engines that are to be frozen in the back of a car by this time next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 When a team like Williams GP has to buy a customer engine rather than be supplied free, the days of the small private winning gp team has gone forever, shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 But the thing is, you can bet Williams will do a far better job then Toyota will ever do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 [ QUOTE ] But the thing is, you can bet Williams will do a far better job then Toyota will ever do. [/ QUOTE ] A billion euros a year on an F1 team and they are still really sh1t. Williams are a great team but there F1 WC days are over I'm afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacingRed Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 [ QUOTE ] From another point of view, would freezing the engine development stop the manufacturers from ploughing millions into engines, and give the opportunity for privateers to rejoin what originally was club sport and not a manufacturers marketing opportunity? [/ QUOTE ] It's been said time and time again, whenever the FIA rules something out the manufacturers spend the money on something else. If they want to draw the privateers in then the solution is always going to be a return to customer cars. The chassis is the most expensive, complicated and specialised element of the car to construct, insisting that every team must design it's own makes it hugely difficult for the privateers. Let them buy an off the shelf Ferrari and not only is a huge chunk of their resources freed up but they also gain a top flight (well not quite, Maranello would make sure that factory horses were that bit stronger ) car that allows them to perform much more competitively. Why don't they do it? Simple. It puts the power in the manufacturers hands, and Moseley, let's be honest here, wants the bare minimum input from them. If he had his way the whole grid would be identical machines (probably built in China by whoever bids cheap enough) painted different colours. He's on his way there too, he's already got standardised tyres coming in thanks to Michelin, and he has I believe, already indicated that he wants to standardise braking components and engine management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Lets look at GP2, identical cars great racing. The top guys shine through and come to the fore. F1 should hang its head in shame because they are so much better to watch. Did you know that at Monza, the fastest GP2 cars would have beaten half of the F1 cars? How poxy is that? F1 needs to get itself sorted quick..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 2008 with the new rules and back to basics will mean a lot will be different. Even Prodrive AKA original BAR (when they started to get better) are in it. It should be cheaper and the driver is going to be a much bigger factor than it has for a long time. It might take a while to settle down, but if it does it should be great to watch. That is if Max doesn't try and destroy it first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Have you seen the latest statement from the FIA? "That the objective of all new Formula One regulations should be to maintain F1 as the pinnacle of motor sport and to satisfy at least one of the following criteria: to improve the show, to improve cost effectiveness, to improve safety, to promote technology relevant to society at large, to facilitate brand recognition." All seems well, until you read about the following "Further cost cuts were also discussed, with the establishment of a Working Group to discuss restricted use of wind tunnels, test rigs, simulator and maybe even personnel numbers." So then keeping it at the pinnacle of the sport, yet taking away the tools that make it that. Feckin arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 The problem is. Some of the F1 teams use the wind tunnel almost night and day (taking this as an example) which can be a little excessive to say the least. The cost to do this in just energy terms alone is big let alone the people costs of running it like this. Whilst I'm all for technology at its best limiting usage to a wind tunnel for say 15hrs a day doesn't seem a bad thing when you think about it. Maybe they could allow the rest of the time to be used by a university or another company maybe. Either way your right I don't want it taking from the sport but there are certain areas where limiting them a bit wouldn't be such a bad thing and it would level the playing field from those at the top and bottom of the grid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted September 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Have you seen the latest statement from the FIA? "That the objective of all new Formula One regulations should be to maintain F1 as the pinnacle of motor sport and to satisfy at least one of the following criteria: to improve the show, to improve cost effectiveness, to improve safety, to promote technology relevant to society at large, to facilitate brand recognition." All seems well, until you read about the following "Further cost cuts were also discussed, with the establishment of a Working Group to discuss restricted use of wind tunnels, test rigs, simulator and maybe even personnel numbers." So then keeping it at the pinnacle of the sport, yet taking away the tools that make it that. Feckin arse. [/ QUOTE ] Works both ways though, how does a privateer compete with a manufacturer spending £300,000,000 a year on R&D? I'm not saying they have got it right but there is a balance to be had problem is theres so much restriction on the car designs now they spend a fortune trying to get the extra ms out of the laps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 This was what was agreed on Mondays meeting. [ QUOTE ] Decisions to come out of Monday's meeting included: # The FIA will prepare draft regulations for 2009 concerning the recovery and re-use of energy. # Manufacturers will do the same for devices that could use waste heat and exhaust gases to help propel the cars. # A freeze on engine development scheduled for 2008 will be brought forward to next year with teams agreeing to no further development after next month's Japanese Grand Prix other than returning to a rev limit of 19,000rpm. # A 30,000km testing limit scheduled for 2008 will be brought forward to next year. # A working group will be established to discuss ways of restricting the use of costly wind tunnels, simulators and the number of people employed by teams. [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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