Wallachie Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 If an M3 CSL had it's running in service at 1400 miles, is that too late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 [ QUOTE ] If an M3 CSL had it's running in service at 1400 miles, is that too late? [/ QUOTE ] No, it's fine up to 1,800 - but no higher at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If an M3 CSL had it's running in service at 1400 miles, is that too late? [/ QUOTE ] No, it's fine up to 1,800 - but no higher at all. [/ QUOTE ] Never heard of BMW rejecting a warranty claim or service b/c of this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeboy749r Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 People do get hung up about cars missing their running in-service. It shouldn't make that much difference - after all, 200 extra miles on 1st oil, tensions, sensors, cannot be the end of the owrld...But, as was said earlier, much higher and BMW might make a play about it imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirium225 Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 friend just had a new gearbox under warranty, running in service done at 1870 miles. at what mileage do they say NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 It is the engine that is not warrantied, everything else is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If an M3 CSL had it's running in service at 1400 miles, is that too late? [/ QUOTE ] No, it's fine up to 1,800 - but no higher at all. [/ QUOTE ] Never heard of BMW rejecting a warranty claim or service b/c of this though. [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough...i have though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] It is the engine that is not warrantied, everything else is. [/ QUOTE ] Come again?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 What I meant was, if the running in service is missed and your brakes fail, they will cover it, if the nav unit fails they will replace it, I was told that the only thing they may argue with is if your engine goes. Lind have just replaced a gearbox on a 2004 M3 that missed the running in service, that was approved by BMW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] What I meant was, if the running in service is missed and your brakes fail, they will cover it, if the nav unit fails they will replace it, I was told that the only thing they may argue with is if your engine goes. Lind have just replaced a gearbox on a 2004 M3 that missed the running in service, that was approved by BMW. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, thanks for that. However it's totally against my (professional) understanding of what the point of the warrany is. Essentially on an 'M' car if the 1,200 service is done after 1,800 miles the entire warranty is voided. The only way any warranty job gets through on a car with a late service is on the basis of goodwill or a mistake by the dealer or BMW UK in paying for a job that they shoudn't have. As we both know Guy, just buying a 'M' car with a late service or considering it, is just a bad idea full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What I meant was, if the running in service is missed and your brakes fail, they will cover it, if the nav unit fails they will replace it, I was told that the only thing they may argue with is if your engine goes. Lind have just replaced a gearbox on a 2004 M3 that missed the running in service, that was approved by BMW. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, thanks for that. However it's totally against my (professional) understanding of what the point of the warrany is. Essentially on an 'M' car if the 1,200 service is done after 1,800 miles the entire warranty is voided. The only way any warranty job gets through on a car with a late service is on the basis of goodwill or a mistake by the dealer or BMW UK in paying for a job that they shoudn't have. As we both know Guy, just buying a 'M' car with a late service or considering it, is just a bad idea full stop. [/ QUOTE ] I'd agree on that - the CSL pictured in the other thread here had it's first service done at 4000kms, that's more than double the allowed "limit" which is off-putting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If an M3 CSL had it's running in service at 1400 miles, is that too late? [/ QUOTE ] No, it's fine up to 1,800 - but no higher at all. [/ QUOTE ] Never heard of BMW rejecting a warranty claim or service b/c of this though. [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough...i have though. [/ QUOTE ] Really? What where the circumstances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 [ QUOTE ] As we both know Guy, just buying a 'M' car with a late service or considering it, is just a bad idea full stop. [/ QUOTE ] Absolutely. The problem is trying to move it on more than anything, I would not have even looked at a car without BMW warranty, once you have the car and everything is fine you wonder what all the fuss is about, but you can guaruntee the next buyer will want warranty too, doesn't matter how much you try and convince them the car is a peach, they are always going to want it. In fact that reminds me, I better call and renew mine tomorrow, only got a couple of weeks left. Another grand, but got to be worth it just to help move it on again in the spring more than anything. Actually, thinking about what you just said Gareth, I think that is one of the problems, half the people you speak to in the dealership don't actually realise how important that running in service is, like the guy who told me they would do everything, that obviously isn't the case, I could have bought a car on that advice, then what when I need a new clutch and gearbox and BMW refuse it?? Would he offer to pay?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 When I bought my CSL the sales chap specifically pointed out that the service had been done. Warranty on that car was fairly invaluable also during my 3k miles: Clutch/flywheel Steering rack Rear lamp housing Side lamp housing Sill plaques Steering wheel Gutter trims.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 [ QUOTE ] When I bought my CSL the sales chap specifically pointed out that the service had been done. Warranty on that car was fairly invaluable also during my 3k miles: Clutch/flywheel Steering rack Rear lamp housing Side lamp housing Sill plaques Steering wheel Gutter trims.......... [/ QUOTE ] It's a wonder BMW made any money on the CSL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If an M3 CSL had it's running in service at 1400 miles, is that too late? [/ QUOTE ] No, it's fine up to 1,800 - but no higher at all. [/ QUOTE ] Never heard of BMW rejecting a warranty claim or service b/c of this though. [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough...i have though. [/ QUOTE ] Really? What where the circumstances? [/ QUOTE ] Had a client selling a CSL (and it's running in service was done at 2,006 miles ) and when the engine let go (on the way to a track day, not on the track) they refused the total claim for a £12k new engine because of the warranty being invalidated. He ended up - with my help- getting a contribution from the BMW dealer and BMW UK but he was still out of pocket by many thousands of pounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 [ QUOTE ] When I bought my CSL the sales chap specifically pointed out that the service had been done. Warranty on that car was fairly invaluable also during my 3k miles: Clutch/flywheel Steering rack Rear lamp housing Side lamp housing Sill plaques Steering wheel Gutter trims.......... [/ QUOTE ] Glass's guide now specifically mentions the importance of the 1,200 service for valuation purposes by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As we both know Guy, just buying a 'M' car with a late service or considering it, is just a bad idea full stop. [/ QUOTE ] Absolutely. The problem is trying to move it on more than anything, I would not have even looked at a car without BMW warranty, once you have the car and everything is fine you wonder what all the fuss is about, but you can guaruntee the next buyer will want warranty too, doesn't matter how much you try and convince them the car is a peach, they are always going to want it. In fact that reminds me, I better call and renew mine tomorrow, only got a couple of weeks left. Another grand, but got to be worth it just to help move it on again in the spring more than anything. Actually, thinking about what you just said Gareth, I think that is one of the problems, half the people you speak to in the dealership don't actually realise how important that running in service is, like the guy who told me they would do everything, that obviously isn't the case, I could have bought a car on that advice, then what when I need a new clutch and gearbox and BMW refuse it?? Would he offer to pay?! [/ QUOTE ] Guy, Here's a funny story for you... A BMW dealership I know very well had their Sales Manager running round in a '55 plate fully loaded M3 Coupe at the end of last year and he "forgot" ( ) to have the 1,200 service done until 2,200 miles !!! When they realised this the car that was for sale at £39,995 suddenly became worth subtantially less as the BMW warranty was voided but they could put on an aftermarket one that, on paper, matched the BMW warranty. They ended up trading the M3 out into the trade for alot less than what the car owed them. Fast forward to last month and I'm told my BMW dealer contact (who had the numpty Sales Manager - since left...)that he had a call from another BMW dealer who has taken the same car in as a part exchange and only realised after the event that the service was done late and they can't retail the car with a BMW AUC warranty. Also the same car is worth some £5k less than they stood it in for..... How stupid and sick do they look/feel now??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 How prominent in the documentation/sales process is it that you must have this service done? Or does the car tell you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 The car will flash with a "-" and however many km's you have gone over the service. You'd have to be a bit stupid or not know your M car if you go over the service... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As we both know Guy, just buying a 'M' car with a late service or considering it, is just a bad idea full stop. [/ QUOTE ] Absolutely. The problem is trying to move it on more than anything, I would not have even looked at a car without BMW warranty, once you have the car and everything is fine you wonder what all the fuss is about, but you can guaruntee the next buyer will want warranty too, doesn't matter how much you try and convince them the car is a peach, they are always going to want it. In fact that reminds me, I better call and renew mine tomorrow, only got a couple of weeks left. Another grand, but got to be worth it just to help move it on again in the spring more than anything. Actually, thinking about what you just said Gareth, I think that is one of the problems, half the people you speak to in the dealership don't actually realise how important that running in service is, like the guy who told me they would do everything, that obviously isn't the case, I could have bought a car on that advice, then what when I need a new clutch and gearbox and BMW refuse it?? Would he offer to pay?! [/ QUOTE ] Guy, Here's a funny story for you... A BMW dealership I know very well had their Sales Manager running round in a '55 plate fully loaded M3 Coupe at the end of last year and he "forgot" ( ) to have the 1,200 service done until 2,200 miles !!! When they realised this the car that was for sale at £39,995 suddenly became worth subtantially less as the BMW warranty was voided but they could put on an aftermarket one that, on paper, matched the BMW warranty. They ended up trading the M3 out into the trade for alot less than what the car owed them. Fast forward to last month and I'm told my BMW dealer contact (who had the numpty Sales Manager - since left...)that he had a call from another BMW dealer who has taken the same car in as a part exchange and only realised after the event that the service was done late and they can't retail the car with a BMW AUC warranty. Also the same car is worth some £5k less than they stood it in for..... How stupid and sick do they look/feel now??? [/ QUOTE ] That'll learn'em!! as they say round here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallachie Posted November 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 This is all very intersting reading guys, thanks! So anything over 1200, realistically should be given a wide berth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 I would go to 1700 miles as long as I had it in writing from BMW GB that they would honour the warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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